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Feb 13, 2012 17:54 |  #1

This snapshot was on an overcast and drizzly day. About the only PP I did was to crop a lot of clutter from around and behind him. He was a non cooperative target so this is a long shot with a midrange telephoto.

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Feb 13, 2012 18:06 |  #2

Very sharp and colors look great on my monitor. But the walking butt in the b/g is distracting. Also could you crop less giving him more space in front ? May be blur or clone out the busy b/g.


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Feb 13, 2012 18:44 |  #3

Amamba wrote in post #13892030 (external link)
Very sharp and colors look great on my monitor. But the walking butt in the b/g is distracting. Also could you crop less giving him more space in front ? May be blur or clone out the busy b/g.

I'm a little confused, "crop less giving him more space in front...but blur or clone the busy b/g." I cropped to remove the busy b/g and now you suggest that I add it back in but remove it?

Here is the recrop so we can rediscuss the issue.

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Feb 13, 2012 19:02 |  #4

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I'm a little confused, "crop less giving him more space in front...but blur or clone the busy b/g." I cropped to remove the busy b/g and now you suggest that I add it back in but remove it?

Here is the recrop so we can rediscuss the issue.

I love the b/g actually. But here's a very half-assed attempt at blurring (I used Blur tool to do it quick & dirty, need Gaussian + some balancing to do it right). But I think it gives an idea of what I suggested:


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Feb 13, 2012 19:08 |  #5

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I love the b/g actually. But here's a very half-assed attempt at blurring (I used Blur tool to do it quick & dirty, need Gaussian + some balancing to do it right). But I think it gives an idea of what I suggested:

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I see what you mean but I am not adept enough (yet) with LR3 and I don't have Photoshop. I poked around in Paint.net but, again I don't know enough about layering and the other tools.

Thanks for the comments and the demo of what could be done.


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Feb 13, 2012 19:16 |  #6

Much better without tight crop, as the 1st post he is more like homeless guy.


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Feb 13, 2012 19:25 |  #7

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Much better without tight crop, as the 1st post he is more like homeless guy.

Yeah, I was trying to crop to capture the character of his face. Guess I went too far based on my knowledge of the context of the shot. I forget that other people aren't there to see the total view.

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Feb 13, 2012 19:28 |  #8

GopherM wrote in post #13892444 (external link)
I see what you mean but I am not adept enough (yet) with LR3 and I don't have Photoshop. I poked around in Paint.net but, again I don't know enough about layering and the other tools.

Thanks for the comments and the demo of what could be done.

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Feb 13, 2012 20:00 |  #9

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Look at GIMP, it's 90% of Photoshop at 0 cost.

I'll give it another try. I had it installed once and deleted it.


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Feb 13, 2012 21:00 as a reply to  @ GopherM's post |  #10

Gopher, I think you've captured a very nice scene. I do think you need only a minor crop of the original capture. The surroundings put the subject in context and are needed, I think, but I agree that the background should not dominate as much as it does. I brought saturation and brightness in the background as well as bringing in a slight blur as previously suggested. Contrast and sharpness were upped a bit on the subject (and his immediate surroundings) to help him stand out a bit.

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Great eye on this image. It has richness and character.

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Feb 14, 2012 05:44 |  #11

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Gopher, I think you've captured a very nice scene. I do think you need only a minor crop of the original capture. The surroundings put the subject in context and are needed, I think, but I agree that the background should not dominate as much as it does. I brought saturation and brightness in the background as well as bringing in a slight blur as previously suggested. Contrast and sharpness were upped a bit on the subject (and his immediate surroundings) to help him stand out a bit.

Great eye on this image. It has richness and character.

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I see what you mean. Looks like natural DOF shift on the B/G. I like it. I am just a poor snapshoter attempting to tame one thing at a time (starting with the camera) and learning a lot as I got.

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Feb 14, 2012 07:28 |  #12

I really like the image. Very good capture.


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Feb 14, 2012 10:49 |  #13

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...I am just a poor snapshoter attempting to tame one thing at a time (starting with the camera) and learning a lot as I got...

Make no mistake - this is quite a good image. I'm glad that you kept the art panels surrounding the vendor in the frame rather than close-framing it. The fact that these are used to establish a makeshift booth for the vendor adds interest to the image and to the vendor's character. Too often, we get so wrapped up in the technical characteristics of a capture that we forget what establishes the "soul" of the image. Close up, this is a man. Pull back a little - and you learn something about the man (at least with this particular image).

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Feb 14, 2012 12:31 |  #14

ImageMogul wrote in post #13895994 (external link)
Make no mistake - this is quite a good image. I'm glad that you kept the art panels surrounding the vendor in the frame rather than close-framing it. The fact that these are used to establish a makeshift booth for the vendor adds interest to the image and to the vendor's character. Too often, we get so wrapped up in the technical characteristics of a capture that we forget what establishes the "soul" of the image. Close up, this is a man. Pull back a little - and you learn something about the man (at least with this particular image).

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I know what you mean. Sometime the technically perfect final cut is not the one that has the most meaning to the shooter, especially the travel shots. The expanded crop I posted is still only about 70% of the overall image. Shooting on the fly when an opportunity materializes doesn't allow you to get the perfect candid pose, B/G, lighting, etc. Kind of like a gunfight in the old west. You make the quickdraw and you either hit the bullseye or shoot yourself in the foot. At least it is better than the film days when we had to ration the shots because of the cost of film and processing. I wonder what % of the shooters PP their shot now compared to those that had access to darkrooms back in the day?

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Feb 15, 2012 00:29 |  #15

GopherM wrote in post #13892731 (external link)
I'll give it another try. I had it installed once and deleted it.

I've used GIMP for this one to blur the distracting background, have a look see. (Of course the original photo was not as good so...)


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