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Feb 20, 2012 16:13 |  #31

Does this mean the Sigma 85 is NOT a professional grade lens because it's not an L lens??? It's "cheaper" than the 85L right??

This is just for the sake of argument but really, who determines "professional" grade?

I mean only own L lenes....but still LoL


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Feb 20, 2012 16:20 |  #32

its all about personal preferance if you take pictures for magazines or for even bands like i do you only usually have about a 5-15 minute time slot to shoot in and you dont want to have to worry about if its going to trigger all your flashes everytime consitantly. so i like stuff that is a proven performer time after time thats why i use pocketwizards or well used to then went to cybersyncs and now im going to preorder these when i get my cybersyncs and commander sold tonight

im by no means a pro i just do some shoots for magazines and bands


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Feb 20, 2012 16:21 |  #33

patliean1 wrote in post #13930973 (external link)
Does this mean the Sigma 85 is NOT a professional grade lens because it's not an L lens??? It's "cheaper" than the 85L right??

This is just for the sake of argument but really, who determines "professional" grade?

I mean only own L lenes....but still LoL

Durability, reliability, ease of use (try hooking any other brand of trigger up to an arena's strobe system), availability everywhere. They invented the radio trigger for off-camera lighting purposes, and are still really the most reliable solution for large applications of lighting systems. They're ubiquitous, and you can get them in any major city across the country at the drop of a hat if something goes wrong.

Nearly every major studio light company has PocketWizard capability built in:

Sekonic
Norman
Dynalite
Profoto
Photogenic
Normans
Paul C Buff
Elinchrom

I'm sure there are others that I'm forgetting. Hopefully this clears it up a bit. Sure, you can create professional work with other triggers, but it's the above factors that make them the industry standard. I would put money on 99.5% of commercial studios using PocketWizard products. The other .5% shoots with natural light ;)


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Feb 20, 2012 16:35 |  #34

mikekelley wrote in post #13931010 (external link)
Durability, reliability, ease of use (try hooking any other brand of trigger up to an arena's strobe system), availability everywhere. They invented the radio trigger for off-camera lighting purposes, and are still really the most reliable solution for large applications of lighting systems. They're ubiquitous, and you can get them in any major city across the country at the drop of a hat if something goes wrong.

Nearly every major studio light company has PocketWizard capability built in:

Sekonic
Norman
Dynalite
Profoto
Photogenic
Normans
Paul C Buff
Elinchrom

I'm sure there are others that I'm forgetting. Hopefully this clears it up a bit. Sure, you can create professional work with other triggers, but it's the above factors that make them the industry standard. I would put money on 99.5% of commercial studios using PocketWizard products. The other .5% shoots with natural light ;)

DULY NOTED! All very good points and I can't debate that. Thank you kind sir!


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Feb 20, 2012 17:25 |  #35

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Thats the mindset I just dont understand... why MUST you get the PW when it does the same exact thing as another alternative? Sounds like bad business to me. Do you think your client really cares how you trigger your strobes? I'm all for haveing great camera or lenses, but a basic dumb trigger...

If PW created a trigger that was truely 'professional" with metal foot and sturdier plastic components I would not argue... Also, why the dumb triggers, I see no innovation from PW. Give me a good quality trigger that also does ETTL AND can communicate with my strobes via camera menu like the Pixel Kings... thats innovation.

I was like you too... buying good affordable stuff. Then I decided to do it as a source of livelihood...shooting at professional studios....meeting professional photographers, lighting techs, directors, you know... people in the industry. Then .. you see stuff that they will only use... Seconics, Profotos, Pocket Wizards, and more. It's easier to use PWs if you shoot and rent other studios with their pro light setup. Clients who know photography also look at your equipment and judge you by it.... sad but true.


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Feb 20, 2012 17:40 |  #36

mikekelley wrote in post #13929691 (external link)
I've had the great fortune of being able to play with these for awhile now. They are awesome--to be honest - I've got to chuckle at anyone thinking that a cactus is 1/5th the trigger that this is. They just aren't even in the same league.

Just wondering if you tested the range of the PlusIII's. Are they better than the PlusII's. I found it laughable that PW advertised the range of the Plus IIs at 1600ft. Yea, they have a disclaimer that states for the PlusIIIs, "Up to 500 meters (1600 feet) (actual range is dependent on multiple factors including equipment, mode, environment, positioning, orientation and interference)




  
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Feb 20, 2012 17:57 |  #37

Check this out - David Hobby did a range test and got over 3 football fields away without a single misfire

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Feb 20, 2012 19:02 |  #38

mikekelley wrote in post #13931523 (external link)
Check this out - David Hobby did a range test and got over 3 football fields away without a single misfire

http://www.strobist.bl​ogspot.com/ (external link)

Very nice range. One feature that I am glad to see is the USB port. The port makes the unit easy to update the firmware and maybe even add more features in the future.




  
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Feb 20, 2012 19:51 |  #39

Very nice upgrade to the Plus II's, but too bad they still can't control the power output.

I'm holding out to see what Canon may offer in their next Speedlites. Rumor has it they will include radio control with TTL.


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Feb 20, 2012 21:27 |  #40

Does that mean a drop price on Plus II?


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Feb 20, 2012 21:49 |  #41

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Does that mean a drop price on Plus II?

Not just yet, should probably happen after the P3's go on sale and a bit after...


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Feb 20, 2012 22:53 |  #42

So, for those who already have PW Plus II's, do you think the III's are worth dumping the II's for?



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Feb 20, 2012 23:16 |  #43

check the specs and see if there's something in there you need. If you're using the basic features of the Plus II's I see no reason for an upgrade, nor for basic users to buy the Plus 3's over the Plus 2's (obviously once the price goes down)


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Feb 20, 2012 23:17 |  #44

I don't think so. If you didn't have it or needed to replace a damage unit, yes.


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Feb 20, 2012 23:34 |  #45

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So, for those who already have PW Plus II's, do you think the III's are worth dumping the II's for?

I will be slowly upgrading.


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