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Sigma 17-50 vs Canon 17-55 ... my one week tryout

 
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Feb 21, 2012 13:08 as a reply to  @ post 13936937 |  #16

I'm glad everyone doesn't do this, alot of used new lenses would be around.


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Feb 21, 2012 13:16 |  #17

nccb wrote in post #13936848 (external link)
Sorry but I see dozens of people every day on here talking about lenses they've bought and are returning. Presumably those people would have used them and taken some shots with them.

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Feb 21, 2012 13:18 |  #18

aquaforester wrote in post #13936937 (external link)
I don't think B&H or any retailer can sell an open boxed item as new, unless otherwise stated. The reason B&H has such an easy return policy is volume and with volume comes manufacturers bending over backwards.

Wrong, most retailers resell a returned lens if they are in "new condition." I received a lens with a completely different hood from B&H, which was most likely a returned item.




  
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Feb 21, 2012 13:20 |  #19

Are these all done at 50/55mm FL setting? If yes, then other FL have to be covered as well, especially the wide end (17mm).

Also, "corner sharpness" is pretty much useless for "real life" lens comparison, without a tripod, at 50mm and f/2.8. The DoF is so narrow, that a slight movement of the camera will make more difference for the corner sharpness than a make of the lens (even if the center is in focus in both shots).

I think "semi-real life" shots would be more valuable - everything as you did, just use a tripod (exactly the same position for both lenses), and avoid shooting moving objects (like leaves). Then we can start talking about corner sharpness and such.


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Feb 21, 2012 13:22 |  #20

Wow. Alrighty then. I start a thread to be helpful to others and get pummeled into the ground by the ethics patrol. Sorry to have offended some of you. I understand your reasoning and will keep it in mind for the future.


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Feb 21, 2012 13:24 |  #21

pulsar123 wrote in post #13937236 (external link)
Are these all done at 50/55mm FL setting? If yes, then other FL have to be covered as well, especially the wide end (17mm).

Also, "corner sharpness" is pretty much useless for "real life" lens comparison, without a tripod, at 50mm and f/2.8. The DoF is so narrow, that a slight movement of the camera will make more difference for the corner sharpness than a make of the lens (even if the center is in focus in both shots).

I think "semi-real life" shots would be more valuable - everything as you did, just use a tripod (exactly the same position for both lenses), and avoid shooting moving objects (like leaves). Then we can start talking about corner sharpness and such.

Thanks pulsar123 - I will check on the focal lengths. Sorry - should have included that.


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Feb 21, 2012 13:26 |  #22

pulsar123 wrote in post #13937236 (external link)
Are these all done at 50/55mm FL setting? If yes, then other FL have to be covered as well, especially the wide end (17mm).

Also, "corner sharpness" is pretty much useless for "real life" lens comparison, without a tripod, at 50mm and f/2.8. The DoF is so narrow, that a slight movement of the camera will make more difference for the corner sharpness than a make of the lens (even if the center is in focus in both shots).

I think "semi-real life" shots would be more valuable - everything as you did, just use a tripod (exactly the same position for both lenses), and avoid shooting moving objects (like leaves). Then we can start talking about corner sharpness and such.

Yeah - it looks like the leaf and grass shots were at 50mm/55mm. The others have the FL on there. I may take some on the wide end in the next few days if I can survive this thread.


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Feb 21, 2012 13:29 |  #23

nccb wrote in post #13937295 (external link)
Yeah - it looks like the leaf and grass shots were at 50mm/55mm. The others have the FL on there. I may take some on the wide end in the next few days if I can survive this thread.

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Feb 21, 2012 13:41 as a reply to  @ Stir Fry A Lot's post |  #24

I sure hope I don't get one of the OP's lenses if I ever buy anything on B&H. I hope most people who shop online are more ethical than the OP but in fact this discourages me from shopping at B&H all together.




  
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Feb 21, 2012 13:59 |  #25

paddler4 wrote in post #13936840 (external link)
I'm with numenorean. The issue is the next customer, not B&H. When I pay for a new lens, I want a new lens, not one that someone has been playing around with. That's not an argument against returning something that is unsatisfactory. It is an argument against buying something that you no full well you won't keep.

I think what the OP is doing is far different from a credit card gear-junkie who buys four lenses, picks the best copy, and returns the other three. Those are the people to be mad at. The OP is providing a useful service here. Normally I'd disagree with such a thing, but his work here may actually prevent more returns of lenses.


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Feb 21, 2012 13:59 |  #26

Sigh....I had no unethical intentions when I did this. As far as the rental suggestion by Numenorean, a good suggestion - I indeed rented the 17-55 a while back. But I knew if I rented either lens again, ultimately I would not own that rental copy, whereas with these I would own the copy I had in hand. That was my logic. My logic wasn't to cheat the system. The thread started civilly with Numenorean and paddler4 criticizing my behavior and offering valid suggestions. To which I responded "I understand your reasoning and will keep it in mind for the future" - meaning, OK folks I get it. But now I've been called a free rider/freeloader and an unethical person.

I am not an unethical person. So please no more blanket accusations on my whole character.


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Feb 21, 2012 14:00 |  #27

I appreciate the hard work! Looks good!

Boy I wish you had the Tamron 17-50f/2.8 by your side to test as well......


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Feb 21, 2012 14:09 |  #28

So let's see I go into a store I can't decide between two different shirts between color and material so I take them both home knowing I'm going to return one. After trying them on at home several times I return one. I kept the one that felt better and matched more of my other stuff. Am I unethical? How is that any different then what the OP is doing? Many like to 'try out' lenses to see the way it feels and goes with their other equipment.


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Feb 21, 2012 14:14 |  #29

That's what dressing rooms are for.


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Feb 21, 2012 14:20 |  #30

Mike55 wrote in post #13937572 (external link)
That's what dressing rooms are for.

I'm gonna bring all my other clothes (gear) to the dressing room to see how it goes? You never bought two ties and returned one after trying it out at home?


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