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Feb 27, 2012 08:12 |  #1

Ok I went to a Scott Kelby class and bought this book photoshop compositing secrets. I just started reading the book but thought I would give it a try. here are a couple of trys. I used a picture of a field, Scoccer ball, and a girl kicking. I know could of just took a real shot of the girl kicking a ball in the park, but I would not have learned any thing anyway let me know what you think and if you have any tips let me know.


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Feb 27, 2012 09:38 |  #2

I'll be honest, as I've done a lot of compositing, that this really is quite poorly done. First off, not touching on the compositing itself yet, the processing is bad, there's too much desaturationg with too little contrast and it looks like you've attacked it with the small detail of a Topaz filter. It looks like a case where the original would look much better.

As for the compositing, the girls positioning is bad, with her falling of the bottom right corner. In this case you should really have placed her IN the scene, and from what I can see you either didn't use the section, or the book didn't mension simulating lighting, such as adjusting the lighting angle on the subject, type of lighting, and then adding in lighting to the scene to mimic the subject being placed in (Colour diffusion, shadows .etc).

I'd also like to know exactly what this book taught you, because to be honest and I hate to bring bad news (But I just want to give you good advice and save you money) but it sounds like this book was a waste of money. There are tonnes of tutorials on the internet about creating composite images, but again I'd like to know what "secrets" this book is trying to tell you.


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Feb 27, 2012 09:52 |  #3

looks ok except for the lack of color. keep working on it, usually these things get better with practice.




  
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Feb 27, 2012 11:26 |  #4

andrew_patterson wrote in post #13975672 (external link)
I'll be honest, as I've done a lot of compositing, that this really is quite poorly done. First off, not touching on the compositing itself yet, the processing is bad, there's too much desaturationg with too little contrast and it looks like you've attacked it with the small detail of a Topaz filter. It looks like a case where the original would look much better.

As for the compositing, the girls positioning is bad, with her falling of the bottom right corner. In this case you should really have placed her IN the scene, and from what I can see you either didn't use the section, or the book didn't mension simulating lighting, such as adjusting the lighting angle on the subject, type of lighting, and then adding in lighting to the scene to mimic the subject being placed in (Colour diffusion, shadows .etc).

I'd also like to know exactly what this book taught you, because to be honest and I hate to bring bad news (But I just want to give you good advice and save you money) but it sounds like this book was a waste of money. There are tonnes of tutorials on the internet about creating composite images, but again I'd like to know what "secrets" this book is trying to tell you.

Thanks for the comments
The picture of the Girl was taken right after her soccer practice so she was not in the mood for getting her picture taken. I took about 6 quick pictures of her kicking, and the best picture taken had her foot was cut off as you can see that is why the picture is positioned the way it is. I did not expect the pictures to be perfect, just trying to learn a few things. All three pictures were taken at F/13 125th ISO 100 camera hight was 3' off the ground. For the back drop the sun was behind me it was around 5pm. For the in studio I used two small softboxes 2X4 behind the subject just high lighting the edge, and a 4’ parabolic in front of the subject. The two lights in the back were set for f/11, and the front was f/13. Was this incorrect or are you talking about adjusting the light


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Feb 27, 2012 11:33 |  #5

Keep taking pictures and you WILL get better. Everyone was a beginner at one time. Not saying your a beginner but if photography is what you love, keep at it and there is no way you won't get better. Keep on truckin'




  
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Feb 27, 2012 12:58 as a reply to  @ Dolce76's post |  #6

ok here is the second try using the same pictures. I had to add part of the back foot because it got cut off. did a littel adjustment on lens so the girl looked more like she was on the ground. adjusted the brightness and contrast on the girl, then merged the back ground and girl and made some contrased and other adjustments. let me know if I am getting closer or just stinking up the place.


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Feb 27, 2012 15:19 |  #7

The examples don't tickle my feathers sorry. It all looks unnatural & significantly over processed.


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Feb 27, 2012 19:40 |  #8

something went very wrong on the last one. first one the scale is off so she appears to float. Also, the focus is on the trees in the background, so she shouldn't be in focus.


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Feb 28, 2012 00:01 |  #9

I'm talking about matching the way the light looks, particularly the angle.

Time for a little lesson!
Our brain is incredible at processing what our eyes see and is able to quickly pick out from a crowd when something doesn't look right. You may have seen portraits done with a landscape in the background such as mountains, and studio looking lighting on the subject. The subject in it most likely will appear as though they aren't actually in front of the scene because of how the lighting (angle, softness .etc .etc) varies from what is behind them, though they are truly there. Our brain knows by instinct what looks natural and normal, and what doesn't, and the main thing our brain recognizes is lighting. When we see two elements in a photo with light hitting them at different angles, it seems peculiar to us. Our brain even recognizes the softness of the lighting, so when it sees a scene lit by a harsh cloudless sun, it expects to see hard shadows on subjects.
NOW! Going back to the portrait that uses different lighting on the subject from the scene. Let's use this photo as an example. http://www.flickr.com …s/kwerfeldein/2​460421309/ (external link)
This is a decent example of what I'm talking about. The subject is definitely in the scene physically, but the artificial lighting introduced to the shot makes him look a little floaty against the distant background, making it look a little like a backdrop. Now to completely eliminate this effect if so desired, which let's assume is your goal so that you get a realistic looking composite, you can just use the ambient light. It will instantly look like a regular old photo, where it is obvious that he is standing in the dirt field. So then how do we get your two photos to come together looking like one? With the lighting of course!
Now you might be, or might not be thinking, that the big problem was your studio lighting. If you are, you're correct. You lit the subject in a way that is extremely unlike the lighting in the photo you're trying to place her into. What you could have done is bring ONE light back as far as possible, us the bare reflector and have the light as high as necessary to achieve a lighting angle similar to that of the sun at the time. This alone will make the composite 10 times more believable. After that, it's time to add in the shadows.
There are many ways to add shadows in photoshop, and depending on how you shot, you can basically use the shadows in the actual studio shot through complicated methods of extraction, or the method I often fall back on. Manual painting. This is easiest to do when you have shot the subject with similar lighting to that of the image you're placing them in to, as the shadows in the photo can be used for reference. It may be a pain, but if you want your work to be believable, this is the step that'll take it from 10 times more believable, to 1000 times. Some quick little tips about shadows. It's always good, if possible, to have some sort of reference in the background image of what the shadows look like. Main reason for this is opacity of shadows, and the less important but still helpful, colour cast. A lot of people suggest this blending mode or that blending mode over the other for making shadows work, but in reality, just painting solid black and then lowering the layer opacity on Normal will be the most effective (multiply can be used, as the results will be literally identical.) Adding in shadows is not easy, and takes a lot of practice and thought. However when beginning, you can be very approximate with your shadows (more so if there's soft lighting) just so they're at least there.
And the final touch, light bouncing. I'm not talking about bouncing light with a reflector or anything, I'm talking about how light works. Light bounces off everything. EVERYTHING. Your skin, paper, a tree, waffles, and relative to this scenario, grass. With the light bouncing off all these things, the colour of said light is changed too. So when light bounces off the grass, it becomes green, casting a subtle green under glow to things on the grass. This is the last step. In this case, if the girl were actually on the field, the grass would be casting a bit of green to her legs and the bottom of the ball .etc. So add that in! On a new layer just paint over the areas you believe would have the colour cast on them, and set the blending mode to Colour ("Color" I suppose, I'm Canadian, different spellings and what-not.). Then to adjust how much it affects the image turn down the fill slider, NOT the opacity slider (Bonus tip at the end*). once you've got this all sorted out everything should look far better.
Now about where you're at right now. It's good to see you were able to borrow some from her other shoe to complete the cut off one. However at this time the photoshop filters need to go. When compositing, technique comes first and then "creativity" second. Drop all of the processing and effects until you get it looking realistic, and then you can pile on however many tacky filters your heart desires. Until then, try and get something real looking.


*BONUS:WORKING WITH BLENDING MODES. The majority of the blending modes deal with the relations of darkness and lightness of pixels (obviously it gets more complex than that, but we're speaking generally). We'll use Multiply as an example. It works by treating the brightness of a pixel as it's opacity (with black being %100 opaque and white being %0). With multiply is a group of other blending modes, Colour Burn and Linear burn to name a couple, which blend the pixels differently, but the general difference is that they treat the colour differently (you can find specific info on each one in tutorials). However the effects they have may be a bit to heavy for you. So your natural move is to lower the opacity of the layer. WRONG. Think of it this way.
The content of the layer itself exists before everything else, and is there. Photoshop then takes that content and run it through it's blending mode, and then it applies it into the document. The way the Opacity and Fill slider differ, is at what point in this process it changes things. Fill is short for Fill Opacity, the fill being of course the actual content in the layer. This slider changes the content BEFORE it goes through the blending mode. The Opacity slider changes the opacity of the layer AFTER everything has been done. So to preserve the effects of a blending mode, but to tone it down a bit, lower the Fill slider NOT the Opacity slider.

That was a lot of writing, and I'm far too tired to revise it right now for grammatical errors. I hope I was clear enough and that you get something good out of what I've said. It's a long road, but you'll get there.


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