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Feb 27, 2012 10:59 |  #1

Hey fellow Canon shooters. I currently have a 5D MK II and love the camera. I did notice that when trying to shoot some eagles with a 400mm 2.8L IS it struggled at time to focus.
I'm a newbie and shooting (back into it after 18 yrs) and could use the help of some seasoned shooters on what might give me the best coverage.I was thinking a 1D MK III or a 1D Mk IV or wait for the Canon 5D MK III.I also have a 2TI but the crop factor is 1.6.
I shoot the following:

Nature (5D MK II)
Glamour and portrait (5D MK II)
Dog Shows indoors (5D MK II high ISO)
Eagles in flight
Race cars nascar & nhra

Is there a big difference between an 1D MK III and a 1D MK IV I've seen some low count shutter counts on the 1D MKIII

Thank you in advance


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Feb 27, 2012 11:11 |  #2

I have a good friend who shoots dog shows and race cars. He uses a 1DMKIV and is very happy.




  
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Feb 27, 2012 11:14 |  #3

i had similar issues, I had the 5dmk2 and needed a second body, so went for the 1dmkiv with the faster shutter and real high iso, its perfect, yeah its a crop but i use the 5dmkII for full frame and the 1dMkiv for high speed action etc


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Feb 27, 2012 12:00 |  #4

tamphotography wrote in post #13976216 (external link)
i had similar issues, I had the 5dmk2 and needed a second body, so went for the 1dmkiv with the faster shutter and real high iso, its perfect, yeah its a crop but i use the 5dmkII for full frame and the 1dMkiv for high speed action etc

I found a few 1D MK III in great shape and low shutter count. Is there a huge difference between the the 2? The crop factor on the IV is not that bad I believe it's a 1.3

Thanks a bunch for the comments. There is such a wealth of knowledge in this forum and no sense in re-inventing the wheel.


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Feb 27, 2012 12:46 |  #5

7D has a very quick AF in my experience.


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Feb 27, 2012 13:10 |  #6

You might get more helpful input if you specified in your thread title "1Diii or 1Div?". People like TeamSpeed who have used both should be able to give you some good tips on how they compare and which would work for you.

EDIT: This thread might have some helpful info.: https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1115510


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Feb 27, 2012 16:32 |  #7

Hollywoodgt wrote in post #13976123 (external link)
Hey fellow Canon shooters. I currently have a 5D MK II and love the camera. I did notice that when trying to shoot some eagles with a 400mm 2.8L IS it struggled at time to focus.
I'm a newbie and shooting (back into it after 18 yrs) and could use the help of some seasoned shooters on what might give me the best coverage.I was thinking a 1D MK III or a 1D Mk IV or wait for the Canon 5D MK III.I also have a 2TI but the crop factor is 1.6.
Thank you in advance

Have you tried the 400/2.8L on the T2i yet? The 1.6 crop will make it an "effective" 640 mm FL. Should be great for shooting eagles!


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Feb 27, 2012 20:32 |  #8

Yogi Bear wrote in post #13978226 (external link)
Have you tried the 400/2.8L on the T2i yet? The 1.6 crop will make it an "effective" 640 mm FL. Should be great for shooting eagles!

Rented it......yes I understand that. Thank you


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Feb 27, 2012 23:10 |  #9

Hollywoodgt wrote in post #13976123 (external link)
I also have a 2TI but the crop factor is 1.6.
I shoot the following:

Nature (5D MK II)
Glamour and portrait (5D MK II)
Dog Shows indoors (5D MK II high ISO)
Eagles in flight
Race cars nascar & nhra

Is there a big difference between an 1D MK III and a 1D MK IV I've seen some low count shutter counts on the 1D MKIII

Thank you in advance

Not sure why you seem to have a problem with using a 1.6x crop camera like your T2i - As was mentioned, along with the 1D cameras, the crop 7D has a very advanced focusing system - I haven't used a 1D3, but my guess is that the 7D would be in the same league as that camera for focusing tricky (fast moving) subjects like "Eagles in flight" - (maybe better ???).

As for comparing the 1D3 to the 1D4, the 1D4 is much newer technology and has both substantially greater resolution as well as far better high ISO performance.

I don't think anyone would be surprised that your 5D2 isn't working well for you with it's focusing system. It's a great camera with great image quality, but for following fast moving objects, that is probably it's weakest practical use.

Since money doesn't seem to be a factor to you, and since you seem to be dismissive of "crop" sensor cameras - my guess is as a self proclaimed "newby" to digital photography, this could easily be from reading too much from those who think that what they refer to as "full frame" is some kind of magic. In reality, 35mm film cameras were always considered a compact format - just movie film turned on it's side. The only smaller (professionally used) film format was 16mm motion picture film- used in close to 100% of wildlife documentaries.

Specialty stuff like 11x8mm film for Minox "spy" cameras aside - for still photography, other than the short lived and failed experiment with APS film cameras - as far as I can remember, 35mm was and always has been the smallest commonly used film.

BTW, 35mm cameras used to be called ''miniature cameras" - (maybe that term went out of use when the Minox got popular - but 'miniature" is what 35mm cameras were known as).


But since you seem to have a problem with a 1.6x crop sensor camera - even made mention of the 1D4 being a 1.3x "crop" camera, which seems to be a problem in your estimation, I guess if I were you I'd just do the common sense thing and hold off and buy the 1DX when it becomes available. It will do everything you want - be perfectly suited to every use you listed and not "drag you down" to the 1.3 crop factor of the otherwise excellent 1D4.:rolleyes:

All the rumors about the so far non-existent 5D3 having an advanced focusing system like that of the 7D and a frame rate of about 7FPS - I have to believe that's wishful thinking at best.

The 5D is what it is - not a camera for sports or for wildlife - It's always been all about great "image quality' - The ideal camera for portraits and landscapes - (maybe the new version will come in a kit with a tripod instead of a lens) - :) - The 5D cameras (and I own one) is also a good choice for photojournalists who have no desire to carry a 1D size camera (or two). Smaller, lighter and relatively unobtrusive (or at least "unobtrusive" until virtually every 5D owner that is new to photography feels adding a grip makes them look more "professional") - LOL

Meanwhile it took me about 10 seconds looking in the "Birds" sub-forum on this website to find these shots of eagles in flight taken by POTN member "SteveJA" - with a "lowly" 1.6x crop 7D. Link at bottom of this post:

Since the EXIF info shows 700mm, I'd have to guess he used a 500mm lens with a 1.4x extender. (really with a 35mm field of view of an 1120mm lens when taking the 1.6x crop factor into consideration - something a lot of people see as a benefit).

Certainly a lot more difficult lens to keep on focus than a 400mm lens on a 5D. Guess the focusing system on the 7D is more useful (for this purpose) than a "full frame" sensor with what is essentially one usable focus point. It isn't the lens that struggled for you to get on focus, as you seemed to imply (hard to tell from your wording if it was the lens or the 5D2 that you felt "struggled") - but either way, it was the focusing system of the 5D2 - great for portraits, landscapes, dog shows - etc. Not so great for fast moving objects.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1154347


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Feb 28, 2012 00:38 |  #10

The 1D sounds like it would be perfect for you. The 1D4 is marginally better than the 1D3, but I honestly don't think it's worth TWICE the money! (as it happens, I'm selling my low actuation 1D3...PM me if you're interested :))


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Feb 28, 2012 03:10 |  #11

Hollywoodgt wrote in post #13976123 (external link)
I currently have a 5D MK II and love the camera. I did notice that when trying to shoot some eagles with a 400mm 2.8L IS it struggled at time to focus.

Care to elaborate on that? What kind of conditions are we talking about here? BIF? Against a cluttered BG or an open sky? Sure, the 5D2 isn't exactly a 1D series when it comes to focus, but it'll stand it's ground.


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Feb 28, 2012 19:55 |  #12

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Care to elaborate on that? What kind of conditions are we talking about here? BIF? Against a cluttered BG or an open sky? Sure, the 5D2 isn't exactly a 1D series when it comes to focus, but it'll stand it's ground.

Daan...it was a sunny day and barely any clouds. I was having an issue with it which I never did with panning dogs or race cars. To experienced shooters said let me take a look and said the same thing....the 5D was having trouble focusing. It's a great camera for 80% of what I do. I love photog and I'm at the point in my life I can afford good equipment.....just don't believe I warrant a 1DX though. I just love photography and want to improve my skills and have the equipment to do it with. Thank a bunch


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Feb 28, 2012 19:57 |  #13

Delija wrote in post #13980850 (external link)
Not sure why you seem to have a problem with using a 1.6x crop camera like your T2i - As was mentioned, along with the 1D cameras, the crop 7D has a very advanced focusing system - I haven't used a 1D3, but my guess is that the 7D would be in the same league as that camera for focusing tricky (fast moving) subjects like "Eagles in flight" - (maybe better ???).

As for comparing the 1D3 to the 1D4, the 1D4 is much newer technology and has both substantially greater resolution as well as far better high ISO performance.

I don't think anyone would be surprised that your 5D2 isn't working well for you with it's focusing system. It's a great camera with great image quality, but for following fast moving objects, that is probably it's weakest practical use.

Since money doesn't seem to be a factor to you, and since you seem to be dismissive of "crop" sensor cameras - my guess is as a self proclaimed "newby" to digital photography, this could easily be from reading too much from those who think that what they refer to as "full frame" is some kind of magic. In reality, 35mm film cameras were always considered a compact format - just movie film turned on it's side. The only smaller (professionally used) film format was 16mm motion picture film- used in close to 100% of wildlife documentaries.

Specialty stuff like 11x8mm film for Minox "spy" cameras aside - for still photography, other than the short lived and failed experiment with APS film cameras - as far as I can remember, 35mm was and always has been the smallest commonly used film.

BTW, 35mm cameras used to be called ''miniature cameras" - (maybe that term went out of use when the Minox got popular - but 'miniature" is what 35mm cameras were known as).


But since you seem to have a problem with a 1.6x crop sensor camera - even made mention of the 1D4 being a 1.3x "crop" camera, which seems to be a problem in your estimation, I guess if I were you I'd just do the common sense thing and hold off and buy the 1DX when it becomes available. It will do everything you want - be perfectly suited to every use you listed and not "drag you down" to the 1.3 crop factor of the otherwise excellent 1D4.:rolleyes:

All the rumors about the so far non-existent 5D3 having an advanced focusing system like that of the 7D and a frame rate of about 7FPS - I have to believe that's wishful thinking at best.

The 5D is what it is - not a camera for sports or for wildlife - It's always been all about great "image quality' - The ideal camera for portraits and landscapes - (maybe the new version will come in a kit with a tripod instead of a lens) - :) - The 5D cameras (and I own one) is also a good choice for photojournalists who have no desire to carry a 1D size camera (or two). Smaller, lighter and relatively unobtrusive (or at least "unobtrusive" until virtually every 5D owner that is new to photography feels adding a grip makes them look more "professional") - LOL

Meanwhile it took me about 10 seconds looking in the "Birds" sub-forum on this website to find these shots of eagles in flight taken by POTN member "SteveJA" - with a "lowly" 1.6x crop 7D. Link at bottom of this post:

Since the EXIF info shows 700mm, I'd have to guess he used a 500mm lens with a 1.4x extender. (really with a 35mm field of view of an 1120mm lens when taking the 1.6x crop factor into consideration - something a lot of people see as a benefit).

Certainly a lot more difficult lens to keep on focus than a 400mm lens on a 5D. Guess the focusing system on the 7D is more useful (for this purpose) than a "full frame" sensor with what is essentially one usable focus point. It isn't the lens that struggled for you to get on focus, as you seemed to imply (hard to tell from your wording if it was the lens or the 5D2 that you felt "struggled") - but either way, it was the focusing system of the 5D2 - great for portraits, landscapes, dog shows - etc. Not so great for fast moving objects.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1154347

Wow what a fantastic image.....thank you so much for taking the time out to try and educate this newbie skull of mine. I believe what your saying is stick with the T2I on the fast moving things like birds and the 1.6 crop is fine? I'm all about saving money and do love my 5D.


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Feb 29, 2012 01:45 |  #14

Hollywoodgt wrote in post #13986754 (external link)
Daan...it was a sunny day and barely any clouds. I was having an issue with it which I never did with panning dogs or race cars.

IMO tracking running/playing dogs is a lot more demanding on the AF than tracking an eagle (large bird) in flight against a bare sky. Strange that your 5D did have issues with that. Did you track the dogs/race cars with the 400 too? Did you have AF assist points activated when tracking the eagle? Do you have any sample pics that show where the 5D went wrong on the eagle? Just trying to help here :)


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