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Mar 02, 2018 21:01 |  #856

Since my Elinchroms at work don't go low enough and I can't HSS them, I have been using 3 stop ND filter. Posted these before in another thread.

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Mar 03, 2018 09:03 |  #857

^^Very clean Bobby. Great work!


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Mar 03, 2018 09:15 |  #858

Alienbee B1600 + 3-stop ND filter. A 7" reflector on the strobe for #1. A 32x40" softbox for #2.


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Mar 03, 2018 10:16 as a reply to  @ idsurfer's post |  #859

Thanks.


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Mar 06, 2018 11:17 |  #860

Curtis N wrote in post #13984621 (external link)
There is no such thing as HSS with strobes. There is PockeWizard's "hypersync" technology which basically fires the strobe early. It has significant limitations that depend on shutter design and the flash duration.

Maybe someday some company will come out with a 1000ws strobe with HSS capability. Until that day comes, ND filters are your best bet.


Where have you been? GODOX ad600 and all godox strobes def do HSS....how do i know? I own and use them.




  
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Mar 06, 2018 13:17 |  #861

Curtis N wrote in post #13984621 (external link)
There is no such thing as HSS with strobes. There is PockeWizard's "hypersync" technology which basically fires the strobe early. It has significant limitations that depend on shutter design and the flash duration.

Maybe someday some company will come out with a 1000ws strobe with HSS capability. Until that day comes, ND filters are your best bet.

Godox H1200 so not 1000W but 1200W, think that qualifies as a strobe light with HSS and yes I have one

IGBT based strobes HSS

Capacitor based HS (Hypersync) or technically Long Tail Sync


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Mar 06, 2018 21:10 |  #862

echelonphoto wrote in post #18578923 (external link)
Where have you been? GODOX ad600 and all godox strobes def do HSS....how do i know? I own and use them.

You realize his post was accurate when he posted it 6 years ago right?




  
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Mar 06, 2018 22:34 |  #863

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You realize his post was accurate when he posted it 6 years ago right?

That’s pretty funny! :lol:


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Apr 28, 2018 23:26 |  #864

Hi Everyone! Beautiful work by you all. Here is a photo I took of my classmates. Direct 11AM sunlight, 6 stop ND, 580exii flash, and 85mm 1.2 wide open. Feedback welcomed and appreciated!


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Apr 30, 2018 07:03 |  #865

Okay guys and gals, I could use a little help here. After reading the entire thread I still have a question. Can I successfully use an ND filter with one Canon 600-RT? I have a Sigma 85 ART and often shoot models outdoors. If one speedlight isn't powerful enough, can I still get the shutter speed down to where the flash won't take so long to recycle? In other words, is an ND filter only of use to those who use a strobe? If I can use one, which one would you suggest?


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Apr 30, 2018 09:09 |  #866

James P wrote in post #18616505 (external link)
Okay guys and gals, I could use a little help here. After reading the entire thread I still have a question. Can I successfully use an ND filter with one Canon 600-RT? I have a Sigma 85 ART and often shoot models outdoors. If one speedlight isn't powerful enough, can I still get the shutter speed down to where the flash won't take so long to recycle? In other words, is an ND filter only of use to those who use a strobe? If I can use one, which one would you suggest?

Yes, and No. You can see some benefit by using an ND filter and a speedlite, versus using HSS. So it's definitely worth experimenting with. Ultimately however a single speedlite and an ND filter will not allow you to dominate the midday sun.




  
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Apr 30, 2018 09:27 |  #867

James P wrote in post #18616505 (external link)
Okay guys and gals, I could use a little help here. After reading the entire thread I still have a question. Can I successfully use an ND filter with one Canon 600-RT? I have a Sigma 85 ART and often shoot models outdoors. If one speedlight isn't powerful enough, can I still get the shutter speed down to where the flash won't take so long to recycle? In other words, is an ND filter only of use to those who use a strobe? If I can use one, which one would you suggest?

Before HSS, this is how it was done. You stacked enough ND filter to allow yourself to shoot at wide aperture in day light, at sync speed. But the flash has to be very close, to even have a chance, to be powerful enough to do the job (in full light). In lower light, this is fine. In full sun, the best you can do is fill light at very close range. It won't speed up recycle, as you'll still be shooting at full power likely if you're in sun light conditions.

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Apr 30, 2018 09:32 |  #868

Fuji X-T1 with a Rokinon 50mm F1.2 wide open at F1.2
Had to use a 3 stop ND filter (Hoya) to even be able to do this, with HSS (due to F1.2 and base ISO 200)
OCF with ETTL & HSS is a Flashpoint R2 TTL Zoom LiOn in a 28" beauty dish at close range

Had to combine ND filter with HSS to do it, as in some cases, I would have needed greater than 1/32000s...

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Apr 30, 2018 10:39 |  #869

James P wrote in post #18616505 (external link)
Okay guys and gals, I could use a little help here. After reading the entire thread I still have a question. Can I successfully use an ND filter with one Canon 600-RT? I have a Sigma 85 ART and often shoot models outdoors. If one speedlight isn't powerful enough, can I still get the shutter speed down to where the flash won't take so long to recycle? In other words, is an ND filter only of use to those who use a strobe? If I can use one, which one would you suggest?

Why would ND make your flash recycle fast? ND on a lens cuts down your flash as well as ambient, doesn't do anything else. That way it lets you shoot wider apertures when outside and still remain under your sync speed. Now outdoors in a sunny situation, you do need lot of power if you want to over power the ambient.

At what time of day you do your shoots?


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Apr 30, 2018 15:31 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #870

My first thought was that I could get a faster recycle time if I wasn't using HSS, but I see your point. Thanks to all who answered. I think I'll stick to my usual method of under exposing the background and letting the speedlights light the subject. It seems to work for me.


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