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Mar 01, 2012 13:08 |  #1

Hello,Im getting alittle better at my cluster groups and when to use them for the most part.Of the 5 Cluster groups,which one is best for takeing shots of say 3-7 people.I get chosen alot to do the family reunion -birthday-family shot type pictures.Its been said that Single cluster is best for portraits.But i think thats for mainly 1 person type shooting.

Im swinging to using Zone that has the 9 cluster focus points(but ive read thats for sports/fast moving).About half are indoors-half outdoors.Indoors i typically use my 580 flash and stop it down to F8 with decent results.Outdoors, depending on my light i use F4.5 to F8 to get decent DOF.

Having said all that,which cluster focus group gives you the best results if you shot large groups of people?Thanks for your replys!


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Mar 01, 2012 13:27 |  #2

The times I have used a cluster have been very specific and very infrequent, say when I have a bit of foreground that might be in a random position as I compose(like branches in a tree with a sunset behind). That would be all focus points active.

I think the camera focuses on the closest thing it detects.

Other than that I would select the specific focus point I require in the shot.
Smaller groupings of focus points will be for sports photos, for instance, where you know where your subject is roughly going to be and you wish to focus the focusing in that area for certain.

Other than that single point every time.


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Mar 01, 2012 13:53 |  #3

I agree with john5189. I generally select the center focus point with the four expansion points active around it. If my subject is off-center I'll select a different focus point using the joystick. If there's a lot of "stuff" around the subject I'll use spot AF. I haven't tried zone AF, since, as john5189 says, that will result in the focus point in the zone that can acquire focus on the nearest object taking priority, and the nearest object may not be what you want to focus on (for example, a stick on the ground might be the nearest object within the selected zone - the actual focus sensors cover a lot more area of the scene than the focus point boxes in the viewfinder, so just because something's outside a focus box won't keep the camera from focusing on that something if it has a high contrast edge).

I would not use a zone AF selection to shoot a group of people. If I'm shooting a large group of people the most important consideration is probably not the AF point mode but instead ensuring the f-stop is adequate to get enough depth of field to get them all in focus. You mentioned that in your post, but I want to reinforce it here because it's a lot more important than which way you set up your AF focus points. You will get great results using center point AF as long as you have sufficient depth of field. For example, if you have a group of people and shoot at f/1.8, with any normal focal length and shooting distance you're not going to get them all in focus no matter what AF point selection mode you use or where you focus. If you shoot at f/8, you'll have a lot better chance of getting them all in focus regardless of which person you focus on or what AF point selection mode you use.


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Mar 01, 2012 14:03 |  #4

Zone works well when shooting birds or airplanes flying against a clear sky since there will only be one thing for the camera to focus on so hopefully it will not get confused. In other situation I've been in, zone seems too likely to focus on the wrong spot

When shooting a single person I use a single focus point and place that point on their face or, if I'm close enough, on their eye.

When shooting a group of people I use a single point and place that point either on the face of a person front row center or on the face of whoever is the most important person in the group.


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Mar 02, 2012 10:36 as a reply to  @ krb's post |  #5

Thanks everyone.Ill try center point next time along with F8 or alittle higher to get a good dof.Makes sense that the clusters are useful in certain situations along with the correct settings.Thanks


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