OFFICIAL: Canon 5D Mark III Announced

Ricku wrote in post #14035680
I think you are right, and also that this is very interesting.

Why is it that the ISO noise for raw files is not getting any dramatic improvements? Is it simply not possible to get any further with today's technology, or is Canikon choosing to not give us better raw noise?

Pretty much everything else in the world of technology is improving dramaticly over the years, so why not camera noise??

My guess would be that they can improve JPG noise because the camera does the processing and maybe they've figured out faster/more efficient ways to process in camera that makes higher quality noise reduction possible. All the processing is done on the raw file first however... so when you get the raw, you just get unprocessed files and do your noise reduction manually. Not sure how they quantify these things but that would be my guess.

edit: just realized this isn't really the question you were asking. new answer: no idea!

dho81 wrote in post #14035706
My guess would be that they can improve JPG noise because the camera does the processing and maybe they've figured out faster/more efficient ways to process in camera that makes higher quality noise reduction possible. All the processing is done on the raw file first however... so when you get the raw, you just get unprocessed files and do your noise reduction manually. Not sure how they quantify these things but that would be my guess.

edit: just realized this isn't really the question you were asking. new answer: no idea!

The camera noise is in fact getting improved! It is just impossible to improve it dramatically, since there's only so much room on the image sensor to put in the pixels. All the work must be done with their density and size. If I look at computer processor manufacturers, it's a completely different market that allows for innovation of entirely new processors, motherboards for them, memory, e.t.c. Just look at how Intel has improved the CPU's in the last 5-6 years. On the other hand, I only wish camera manufacturers would put a little more towards innovation and delivering the right product to the right audience. It just looks more like: "We have the goods....but we won't sell ya....wait for 5 years or until our competition does....then we'll start selling them". Everyone is in this game for one reason - money. And only us, the photographers, would suffer

I want to buy a 5D III because it's the next best thing to sliced bread

Banding ?

http://forums.dpreview​.com …rum=1032&messag​e=40825115

DarthVader wrote in post #14035911
Banding ?

http://forums.dpreview​.com …rum=1032&messag​e=40825115

That looks pretty horrible - if anything, it's more obvious due to the type of pattern.

Tartan's out and pinstripes are in.

nicksan wrote in post #14035454
I am not expecting much of a leap in DR. I mean, have we seen any leap in DR with any recent DSLR by Canon or Nikon? And I mean enough of a difference where the improvement became a difference maker? I'd venture a guess and say no.

I think at this point, things are going to be incremental. Things have plateaued in some way. You see Nikon not making too much of a leap in sheer IQ. Yes, the 36MP was a HUGE leap in sheer resolution, but for example their "flagship" D4 is kind of an incremental improvement over the D3s, which still is an AMAZING camera. Same thing with Canon. We are lacking full resolution images from the 1DX but from the ones I've seen, it's not all that ground breaking. Same thing with the 5D3.

The biggest thing with the 5D3 is the AF and I suspect many people feel the same way. I am completely happy with my 5D2 except the AF system. If Canon has put out a camera that has similar attributes as the 5D2 but with a kick-ass 61 pt system, then hey, I am all for it. Same/similar noise levels? Well, that's a little bit disappointing given the resolution remained the same, however some of the other things like banding and pattern noise seem to have been addressed, so hey, in the scheme of things, I'm pretty excited about the 5D3.

Pretty simple for me...I'll be getting the 5D3, in-spite of its perceived "short comings". For what I shoot, 22MP will be plenty, but the new AF system will be HUGELY appreciated. Dual card slot too. There's a lot of things they got right on this one.

Thing is, in terms of DR, the 5D2 has two more stops to go before reaching that 'plateau'.

If you can even call it a plateau, that is - remember, each additional stop represents double the dynamic range. That is, going from 14 stops to 15 stops adds as much extra dynamic range as going from 1 stop to 14 stops. Going from 12 stops to 14 stops adds three times as much DR as going from 1 stop to 12 stops. So, you could argue that it's not really a plateau - just that each stop has become further and further apart.

See that crappy patterned noise is one of the biggest reasons why I am seriously considering switching to Nikon.

Shadowblade wrote in post #14036019
Thing is, in terms of DR, the 5D2 has two more stops to go before reaching that 'plateau'.

If you can even call it a plateau, that is - remember, each additional stop represents double the dynamic range. That is, going from 14 stops to 15 stops adds as much extra dynamic range as going from 1 stop to 14 stops. Going from 12 stops to 14 stops adds three times as much DR as going from 1 stop to 12 stops. So, you could argue that it's not really a plateau - just that each stop has become further and further apart.

Has there been a camera from either Nikon or Canon that has made a DRAMATIC improvement in DR? Again, I'll venture a guess and say no.

This whole coulda shoulda woulda gets pretty old pretty quickly. It'll happen when it happens. In the meantime I'll buy a 5D3, and use it for my shoots with a huge smile on my face. (Of course this assumes the AF is going to function properly...and we won't know anything about that until we get our hands on the camera)

form wrote in post #14036046
See that crappy patterned noise is one of the biggest reasons why I am seriously considering switching to Nikon.

I guess as a wedding photographer, if you always fill light at 100% in darker areas with no details whatsoever, then sure, switch.

K6AZ wrote in post #14027082
Anyhow, I made a leap one time preordering a body and got lucky. Normally I wait until a body is generally available for at least six months so I can form a consensus from people I trust. I want this and the 1D X to hit the streets and be out there for a while before I decide whether I'll buy one or the other or skip them completely.

just curious as to whether or not you've actually decided against a body, based on the six month reviews....the 1D3 seems to be the only camera where design issues plagued it (and even then, the AF issue wasn't full consensus). i can't think of another instance.

Tonyz wrote in post #14032607
He is wise imo. Anyone who buys a camera without testing it, or at east reading proper reviews first, is a gear head.

"omg, new camera! Panic! I must have! Suddenly my current camera stopped working!"

But each to their own.

not at all (well, my camera *did* stop working, but i should get it back soon, and i've got the 5Dc to use as well).

i am specifically getting this as i am on assignment in mid April to cover a pretty awesome festival overseas for a band. why not get the right tool for the job? the 5D2's autofocus has clearly described limitations, and i can't wait to use a camera w/ an AF system as described. also, as it's still a 5 series, i am sure the controls and layout will be much more familiar to me than a 1 series, had i wanted to rent a 1DIV.

nicksan wrote in post #14036060
Has there been a camera from either Nikon or Canon that has made a DRAMATIC improvement in DR? Again, I'll venture a guess and say no.

Yes

That's one-and-a-half stops, in two bodies within a year of each other.

krb wrote in post #14032879
- loads the batteries from the end like a 1 series, so the grip should actually be comfortable rather than the "holding a 2x4" feeling that all the other Canon grips have had.

ah, that's an improvement!

nicksan wrote in post #14036075
I guess as a wedding photographer, if you always fill light at 100% in darker areas with no details whatsoever, then sure, switch.

White dress. Black tux.

Expose for the white dress and you're going to have to push the black tux. Expose for the black tux and the white dress will be blown out and beyond recovery.

Shadowblade wrote in post #14033945
They're not out yet (DxOMark won't do a test until they have a production model).

It needs to be 2.5-3 stops better than the 5D2, though, and without the pattern noise issue.

really? why does it need to be this way?