OFFICIAL: Canon 5D Mark III Announced

narlus wrote in post #14036173
ah, that's an improvement!

The 2 best things about the new grip are that it's more rounded for a comfortable grip and it has the joystick. Maybe they hired a grip designer from That-Company-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named-In-This-Thread

Shadowblade wrote in post #14036189
White dress. Black tux.

Expose for the white dress and you're going to have to push the black tux. Expose for the black tux and the white dress will be blown out and beyond recovery.

I think he's well aware of the intricacies of exposing for a white dress and a black tux.

narlus wrote in post #14036194
really? why does it need to be this way?

Because the 5D2's two stops behind the current standard of every other manufacturer, and the 'current standard' is based on cameras released one to three years ago! It's a matter of keeping up with the times.

Ricku wrote in post #14035680
Pretty much everything else in the world of technology is improving dramaticly over the years, so why not camera noise??

battery life isn't.

and how can you say that camera noise hasn't improved dramatically? compare the output of a 20D @ ISO 1600 to 5D3 or 1Dx?!

Shadowblade wrote in post #14036227
Because the 5D2's two stops behind the current standard of every other manufacturer, and the 'current standard' is based on cameras released one to three years ago! It's a matter of keeping up with the times.

i doubt my photo editor will give a crap.

Seen an iso 100 raw, looks like the 5d2, pattern noise is still ther.

narlus wrote in post #14036256
i doubt my photo editor will give a crap.

What do you shoot?

Two extra stops of DR means I need to use GNDs less often, and need to stack them even less often, meaning more sharpness and clarity, and less flare. It means I need to use image blending or HDR less often and can push shadows instead, meaning that factors such as a slight breeze (which can make leaves and grass sway and throw off multiple exposures) are far less of a nuisance. In short, it allows me to deliver better goods, and more often. Better goods more often translates to more $$$$.

What do you shoot, by the way? Certainly doesn't sound like landscapes are a big part of it, given the focus on AF and high ISO capability at the expense of IQ.

Shadowblade wrote in post #14036171
Yes

That's one-and-a-half stops, in two bodies within a year of each other.

Apples and oranges comparison and I guess I should have made my question clearer to include the same model "lineage". The D3x was a completely different camera than the D700. The D700 was superior in other ways like fps, high ISO noise. The D3x of course had the 24MP sensor and improved DR, at least according to DxO which is a website I really never visit.

Shadowblade wrote in post #14036189
White dress. Black tux.

Expose for the white dress and you're going to have to push the black tux. Expose for the black tux and the white dress will be blown out and beyond recovery.

Meh. Never, ever had to push a black tux 100%. NEVER. Nice try though.

nicksan wrote in post #14036408
Apples and oranges comparison and I guess I should have made my question clearer to include the same model "lineage". The D3x was a completely different camera than the D700. The D700 was superior in other ways like fps, high ISO noise. The D3x of course had the 24MP sensor and improved DR, at least according to DxO which is a website I really never visit.

Fine

Still 1.5 stops in one generation. It's definitely possible. The 5D3 needs a similarly large, if not larger, improvement in DR over the 5D2.

Meh. Never, ever had to push a black tux 100%. NEVER. Nice try though.

I have no idea what 100% represents, since I don't use Lightroom.

Anyway, even if wedding photographers don't need it, landscape photographers need every bit of DR they can extract. After all, unless your image contains either no sky or no ground, landscapes are high dynamic range scenes almost by definition.

Landscape photographers exposure blend anyways

themadman wrote in post #14036565
Landscape photographers exposure blend anyways

Only when we have to - we prefer not to.

There are often elements such as moving waves, or grass and leaves that will sway with even a slight breeze. Blending these is a PITA. If we can capture scenes in a single shot, we do - that's why we spend so much money on GNDs in different styles and strengths. My collection of GNDs would just about buy a 5D3...

Shadowblade wrote in post #14036499
Fine

Still 1.5 stops in one generation. It's definitely possible. The 5D3 needs a similarly large, if not larger, improvement in DR over the 5D2.



I have no idea what 100% represents, since I don't use Lightroom.

Anyway, even if wedding photographers don't need it, landscape photographers need every bit of DR they can extract. After all, unless your image contains either no sky or no ground, landscapes are high dynamic range scenes almost by definition.

Could be wrong but I think they mean pushing fill light to 100% to bring out the details in the black tux when the shot was exposed for the wedding dress.

Shadowblade wrote in post #14036582
Only when we have to - we prefer not to.

There are often elements such as moving waves, or grass and leaves that will sway with even a slight breeze. Blending these is a PITA. If we can capture scenes in a single shot, we do - that's why we spend so much money on GNDs in different styles and strengths. My collection of GNDs would just about buy a 5D3...

i glanced over your site and you have some very nice work in your portfolio. since dynamic range is such a sticking point for you, aside from cost, is there any reason you haven't moved to medium format yet?

nicksan wrote in post #14036075
I guess as a wedding photographer, if you always fill light at 100% in darker areas with no details whatsoever, then sure, switch.

It applies to any shot where there is any dark exposure, and especially when the area involved is out of focus...which is part of my shooting style?

Shadowblade wrote in post #14036405
What do you shoot, by the way? Certainly doesn't sound like landscapes are a big part of it, given the focus on AF and high ISO capability at the expense of IQ.

mostly musicians/concerts:

www.tinnitus-photography.com