[5D Mark III] ONE BIG deal breaker for me! [Screens]

Staszek wrote in post #14005540
Its a price point thing. Canon has to retain some desirable features for the 1Dx.

I can't see it as a price point thing considering that the focusing screen itself is what $20-30? Why take out something and force you to either get an older camera or buy the new $8000 one just to get that feature back?

Maybe since they don't have to manufacture the grid screen, they don't want to bother manufacturing the eg-s screen (the only screen left, besides the stock screen for the 5D and XXD cameras)?

That focusing screen is very useful for people who use fast manual focus primes...

Is there someplace where we can "voice" our opinions to canon regarding this? They may have time to add the "hinge" before production starts. You could probably add in the menu option w/ a firmware update.

Its too bad if we cant change it but the new AF will make up for it
I just hope the quality of the images wont be disappointed. Looking @ the JPG sample images it makes me sad to see so much compression

ohata0 wrote in post #14005368
In the end, I'll wait and see (not like I can afford to get it soon anyway). Discussion in the other thread suggests that the AA filter may be just as strong as the one in the 7D, which means softer images out of camera. Also, need to see how the RAWs look, noise-wise. I don't think I'd consider this camera if it turns out that the image quality is worse than the 5D mk ii.

Seeing from recent videos and ISO comparison, the camera might be worth it for those higher ISO settings. I tend to shoot at 1600-2500 max. Having that bumped to 6400-10000 would be GREAT!

But the AA filter being the same as the 7D would actually KILL me. LOL. That would be really upsetting! I really didn't like the 7D for its poor image quality compared to the 40D AND its electronic VF.

ohata0 wrote in post #14005705
I can't see it as a price point thing considering that the focusing screen itself is what $20-30? Why take out something and force you to either get an older camera or buy the new $8000 one just to get that feature back?

Maybe since they don't have to manufacture the grid screen, they don't want to bother manufacturing the eg-s screen (the only screen left, besides the stock screen for the 5D and XXD cameras)?

That focusing screen is very useful for people who use fast manual focus primes...

Is there someplace where we can "voice" our opinions to canon regarding this? They may have time to add the "hinge" before production starts. You could probably add in the menu option w/ a firmware update.

ABSOLUTELY! I would LOVE to e-mail Canon. We have to make a change! I'm wondering how Nikon users deal with this issue. I don't know anything about Nikon Cameras. Do they have OEM Nikon focusing screens too?

ohata0 wrote in post #14005705
I can't see it as a price point thing considering that the focusing screen itself is what $20-30? Why take out something and force you to either get an older camera or buy the new $8000 one just to get that feature back?

Maybe since they don't have to manufacture the grid screen, they don't want to bother manufacturing the eg-s screen (the only screen left, besides the stock screen for the 5D and XXD cameras)?

That focusing screen is very useful for people who use fast manual focus primes...

Is there someplace where we can "voice" our opinions to canon regarding this? They may have time to add the "hinge" before production starts. You could probably add in the menu option w/ a firmware update.

I think if you start adding up all the small features the 5D3 does not have and you desire them, then the 1Dx would be the camera for you.

Also, doesn't the 1D series use a different focusing screen? Maybe its not cost efficient to produce a focus screen for only one current camera (since the 7D is fixed as well).

Staszek wrote in post #14008684
I think if you start adding up all the small features the 5D3 does not have and you desire them, then the 1Dx would be the camera for you.

Also, doesn't the 1D series use a different focusing screen? Maybe its not cost efficient to produce a focus screen for only one current camera (since the 7D is fixed as well).

This is a good discussion about this. I agree with you there! Since there is a grid that can be digitally displayed on both the 7D and the 5D Mark II, i guess Canon would have to make separate precision screens which could be costly.

I personally do not like the pro bodies because it's too heavy for me when i go street shooting or when i am out with my girlfriend.

Marloon wrote in post #14004030
I really think that Canon answered everyone's prayers with this camera. A lot of people were asking Canon to maintain the 21mp sensor but wished Canon would add a better AF system and a higher ISO capability and that's exactly what Canon did! - BUT i really think that Canon dropped the ball on ONE thing.

Here are the things that I like about the camera:
- High ISO capabilities
- Adjustable AF system (I did not like the 7D's 18 point system because it took a lot of "clicks" with the multicontroller to get to the point that I want. I am sure that with the 5D Mark III AF system, I can easily select 9 points only which is more than enough for me for fast selection).
- High FPS frame rates
- Maintaining a sub 20 MP rating for file management and decent cropping abilities.
- Silent shooting modes
- Maintaining the LP-E6 battery in this model to share with 5D Mark II, and 7D users
- 100% Viewfinder while maintaining the 0.71x magnification

When Canon released the 7D, I was actually quite impressed UNTIL I bought one. Once I tried to live with it for 1.5 years, I decided to get rid of it. I really prayed that the 5D Mark III would never follow the 7D footsteps but today, it did - It adopted the electronic viewfinder, and most of its buttons.

So what's the deal breaker?

It's the electronic viewfinder! I hate it for its lack of interchangeable screens - The 5D Mark I and II both had the ability to swap focus screens. A lot of prime users here on the forum swore by and LOVED their precision screen - I can't believe that Canon forgot about us! For those who have the screen, I am sure that it will be hard for us to manually focus our shots at f1.2-f2.5. Or at least get that visual confirmation with our eyes.

This is just my opinion. You may agree or disagree.

same for me...the precision screen is an automatic upgrade for me but a lot of people will not understand this!

wildcart wrote in post #14008658
Its too bad if we cant change it but the new AF will make up for it
I just hope the quality of the images wont be disappointed. Looking @ the JPG sample images it makes me sad to see so much compression

I hope that you are right Wildcart. The compression is definitely too much. But everyone is excited for this camera. I think it looks great - definitely a worthy successor to the 5D Mark II.

sebmour wrote in post #14008738
same for me...the precision screen is an automatic upgrade for me but a lot of people will not understand this!

I am glad that we share the same concerns... Portrait shooters like you and I rely on this! I feel more in control with the precision screens.

Non removeable isn't a huge concern if your using AF with an 85Lmk2 or 70-200 f/2.8ISmk2 or any other lens. If your a manual focus shooter thats where it can make a difference.

I find the dof in the view finder IS NOT the same dof as the real digital file. I can shoot at f/1.2 and no way is the EF-S (in VF) even close to the subject/background separation.

I dont care for the TS portraiture lately (date stamping the era in photography) but thats my non preference. For a tilt shift user I see a crippling effect NOT using a precision screen.

All of my 5d's I own have precision screens. I will still buy a 5dmk3 regardless of it not having a non removeable focus screen. My major concern is the AA filter. If the IQ is anything like the 7d I will gladly seriously consider a 1dx.

Chuck Westfall is saying the screen is like the Eg-A (the Mk II's stock screen):

http://blog.planet5d.c​om …s-5d-mark-iii-hdmi-video/

(The above link goes black after a few seconds and displays a pop-up *off screen* with Safari; scroll to find the cancel box.)

According to his answer, you can't see depth of field effects wider than f/4 (the implication being you cannot focus such lenses either, other than with AF assist). I thought with the Ee-A (the stock one on the original 5D) you could between about f/2.5 and f/4 but you had to look very, very carefully in a way that was not always practical under time pressure, so I guess the Eg-A is even worse or his comment is a reasonable shorthand.

Either way, I do not think this camera would be of much interest to me.

After I seen the RAW images @ http://www.imaging-resource.com …ii/canon-5d-mkiiiTHMB.HTM
I sure I'm going to buy this little baby I don't care about the EFS anymore if the AF is 10x better. Why would you still need it if your AF is really good?!?!

wildcart wrote in post #14054800
Why would you still need it if your AF is really good?!?!

I believe I answered that question a week ago in this very thread.

Everyone can find a reason to not like the 5D3 if they so desire.

I've come to realize that perhaps for me, I'll never be truly happy with a digital 35mm format body and have begun to consider a larger format for superior performance.

Sold my 5D2 .... now looking to sell the two 7D's .... and possibly canceling my preorder for the 1DX.
(well maybe keep the 1DX pre-order and sell it at a premium the day it comes in(

You won't need any precision focusing screen if the 5D3 kicks ass in all 61 focus points and dead on accurate, you'll get brighter screen with the stock screen too. I'm using the precision screen on my 5D2 now and doesn't really find it that much better than the stock one

the flying moose wrote in post #14004381
That whoosh you just heard was the sound of what you just typed zipping right over my head. I don't think that I will ever stop learning something new about this camera and photography in general.

I gotta ask the good people here..

I will use fast lenses. 1.4 /1.8 /2.0.
This thread + reading reviews about this product [EG_S] get me really intrigued:
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …uper_Precision_​Matte.html

QUESTION is: Will this screen be useful with focusing at all for Videographers? We use the Live view and not the viewfinder to focus, so I dont know if those screens improve both of them?!
bonus question >> Using AF for stills with that new screen-will it still work properly?