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Mar 02, 2012 19:55 |  #1

I'm considering getting my first prime lens. I have a 7d and would like a prime for low light/indoors shots. Here are my choices (prefer canon)

1. 24mm f1.4 II
2. 35mm f1.4
3. 50mm f1.2 or f1.4
4. 85mm f1.2
5. Your recommendation

I own a 17-55 f2.8 and a 70-200 f2.8 mkII. Which lenses above will be replaced with a new version soon? Thank you guys.


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Mar 02, 2012 20:02 |  #2

Either 35L or 24L..depending on how wide you want to go..probably 24 in a house. The 50 f/1.4 "should"..most would think, be the next lens for a redo.

You could also look at the Sigma 30 f/1.4.. assuming you aren't going ff anytime soon.


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Mar 02, 2012 20:25 |  #3

I like the 35 1.4 on FF which would just about equal the 24.
If you don't know what you want I'd either rent of go for cheaper models like the 35 f2 the or try the 50 1.8 for a while if you think you might like one of the faster 50s. Both of those cheaper lenses you could probably resell for almost what you pay for them. (depending on the deals you find)




  
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Mar 02, 2012 20:25 |  #4

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I'm considering getting my first prime lens. I have a 7d and would like a prime for low light/indoors shots. Here are my choices (prefer canon)

1. 24mm f1.4 II
2. 35mm f1.4
3. 50mm f1.2 or f1.4
4. 85mm f1.2
5. Your recommendation

I own a 17-55 f2.8 and a 70-200 f2.8 mkII. Which lenses above will be replaced with a new version soon? Thank you guys.

Well, I give this advice frequently, but it always seems to be controversial.

If you think you can meet your needs for low light / shallow DOF with just one of the very expensive L primes, then get the focal length you need and go for it.

If there is much chance of you needing two, or especially three L primes down the road to make this work then I suggest you instead should think about changing to a larger format body like the 5D Mark II.

You could swap 7D + 17-55 for 5D2 + 24-70 for only a modest outlay, and the result would give you the low light (or possible shallow DOF) increase you want for less money than buying even one L prime. Once you reach 2-3 primes the larger format is a clear winner on cost.


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Mar 02, 2012 20:55 |  #5

The 50 f1.4 will work well if you're doing head shots or subjects on stage. However, consider the Canon 10-22mm. I often use this on my 7D indoors and at night! It's fabulous combo IMO. The 10-22mm will give you 16mm ultra wide and the 22 end gives 35mm equiv.




  
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Mar 02, 2012 21:04 |  #6

Ah good point CactusJuice. It would give me some flexibility when shooting landscapes. How does the 10-22mm compare IQ wise to the 24mm or 35mm? I would consider the 16-35mm but I already have it covered by my 17-55.

Jeffrey: thank you. I'm wanting to keep my 7d and augment it with a FF later on. Probably not until next year. The 85mm 1.2 would be my choice but I already have a 70-200 mk II which I'm not going to give up. I would think there would be too much overlap but that 85 f1.2 is a spectacular lens in its own right.

Shuttereye: Renting is a good idea too. These primes, especially the Ls, are pricey.

1Tanker: thank you. Signma isn't a choice since I plan to go FF in the near future.


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Mar 02, 2012 21:14 |  #7

So, what is it you think you will get that your 17-55 isn't already giving you?


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Mar 02, 2012 21:31 |  #8

S.Horton wrote in post #14011243 (external link)
So, what is it you think you will get that your 17-55 isn't already giving you?

Well, what i think i would get with a prime would be and you can tell me I am way off is:
A bit sharper image
Better low light/indoor performer
shallower depth of field/possibly nicer bokeh

Don't get me wrong, I love my 17-55 and don't plan to sell it anytime soon but I think a prime lens would open some new shooting opportunities. I guess the other reason is I'm itching to get another lens. :D


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Mar 02, 2012 22:43 |  #9

I'd scratch that itch with some renting, find what you like/dislike about them and then buy.




  
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Mar 02, 2012 23:00 |  #10

I'd vote the 35L.


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Mar 03, 2012 13:57 |  #11

digital_AM wrote in post #14011349 (external link)
Well, what i think i would get with a prime would be and you can tell me I am way off is:
A bit sharper image
Better low light/indoor performer
shallower depth of field/possibly nicer bokeh

Don't get me wrong, I love my 17-55 and don't plan to sell it anytime soon but I think a prime lens would open some new shooting opportunities. I guess the other reason is I'm itching to get another lens. :D

Forget sharpness. It is entirely overrated.

Bokeh, yes. Start looking at the 85, then go down. If you just want to really go nuts, look at the 200 f/2.

What you don't have on your list are the tilt/shift primes. Have a look at the 90MM archive thread. To me, those open up 'new shooting opportunities' but they will be MF.


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Mar 05, 2012 00:09 |  #12

I vote for 35mm f/1.4


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Mar 05, 2012 00:47 |  #13

S.Horton wrote in post #14011243 (external link)
So, what is it you think you will get that your 17-55 isn't already giving you?

How often do people really need photos taken with their ultra-fast lens wide open? I'm thinking that it's not as often as some would have you believe.

And how often does the extra "depth of field" of the 5D MarkII come into play?

Faster lenses do have a distinct advantage in that the wide aperture makes a significant difference in low-light autofocus ability. I think that's the primary advantage to using fast primes, unless you're really into photos where the eyes are in focus and the nose is out of focus. And, the 5D II does have larger receptors, which evidently does make a small difference in dynamic range and noise reduction. (Something about averaging out the photons and not being corrupted by singular small anomalies striking a smaller receptor.)

But whenever I hear about the incredible differences between the full frame and crop sensors, I think of the guy from the sixties who offered a $1,000,000 prize to anyone who could prove a paranormal claim under scientifically controlled conditions. Everyone talks about these huge differences between sensors but I've never seen two side-by-side shots where someone says, "This is the obvious difference between a crop sensor and a full-frame sensor."

The reason full-frame-taken images look so good is related to the Brenizer method, where multiple images, taken with a shallow depth of field, are stitched together to create that desirable combination of shallow DOF and wide Field of View. (I think that a full frame's wider FOV makes a small, but noticeable, difference but that the greater dynamic range and noise reduction advantage is greatly overstated.)

Sorry to ramble, but I think the most significant gain (if you really want to get a prime lens) would be with something like an 85mm f/1.x that could be used for shooting sports with super-quick autofocus and a fast shutter speed. Your shots already look good - an 85mm prime would be a nice addition for shooting from a short distance.


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Mar 05, 2012 09:10 |  #14

digital_AM wrote in post #14011175 (external link)
Ah good point CactusJuice. It would give me some flexibility when shooting landscapes. How does the 10-22mm compare IQ wise to the 24mm or 35mm? I would consider the 16-35mm but I already have it covered by my 17-55.

Jeffrey: thank you. I'm wanting to keep my 7d and augment it with a FF later on. Probably not until next year. The 85mm 1.2 would be my choice but I already have a 70-200 mk II which I'm not going to give up. I would think there would be too much overlap but that 85 f1.2 is a spectacular lens in its own right.

Shuttereye: Renting is a good idea too. These primes, especially the Ls, are pricey.

1Tanker: thank you. Signma isn't a choice since I plan to go FF in the near future.

Get a 50mm 1.2, on your 70D it will like a 80mm lens. It will do things the 17-55 wont do. It might be on the long side for some, try your 17-55 at 50mm around the house and see.
If to long, get the 24mmL. It will probably be my next choice. Get a FF when the 5DIII comes down abit in a year or more. My 2cents, for what it's worth.


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Mar 05, 2012 09:17 |  #15

Sigma 30mm 1.4. It will become one of your most used lenses.


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