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Limitations of the 600ex-RT radio in ETTL

 
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Mar 02, 2012 21:22 |  #1

This is from an in depth article on Canon's site.

  • Flash sync speed: When used for radio-based Wireless E-TTL with any Canon EOS camera introduced prior to the EOS 5D Mark III or EOS-1D X, the maximum available sync speed for flash will be one stop slower than normal. (EOS 5D Mark II or original EOS 5D – 1/100th second; EOS 7D, 60D, 50D, etc – 1/125th second; all previous EOS Rebel models – 1/100th second.)

    This only applies when using radio-based wireless control of off-camera 600EX-RT Speedlites. If a 600EX-RT is simply used on-camera (alone), or if it's used for optical-based Wireless E-TTL in any way, the camera's normal, full flash sync speeds are available.
  • No high-speed sync: For radio-based wireless E-TTL, the only cameras that allow hi-speed flash sync will be the EOS 5D Mark III and EOS-1D X (as of March, 2012). It's not possible with any other previous EOS camera bodies, when combined with the radio-based wireless flash system.
    (Hi-speed sync is possible for both E-TTL and manual flash exposure if a single 600EX-RT is used on-camera with previous EOS models, as well as during optical-based wireless E-TTL.)
What a bummer. I think I'll stick with my Phottix Odin triggers. They do not suffer from these limitations.

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Mar 02, 2012 23:41 |  #2

But Syl Arena wrote (bold emphasis mine):

Sync Speeds — I shot at all sync speeds, up to 1/8000″ in High-Speed Sync, on both my 5DM2 and my 60D. I used both a 600EX-RT Speedlite and the ST-E3-RT transmitter to trigger. In hundreds of frames over the past week, I have not had one sync issue. The manual says that on pre-2012 cameras (anything other than 1D X and 5DM3), the system takes a one-stop hit in sync speed and that HSS is not possible. This will be an interesting area to watch as others begin to use the gear....

Maybe reserve judgement until a few more testers can weigh in on the issue?


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Mar 03, 2012 00:00 |  #3

Great news! less reason to buy!


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Mar 03, 2012 06:52 |  #4

sempaidavid wrote in post #14011296 (external link)
This is from an in depth article on Canon's site.

  • Flash sync speed: When used for radio-based Wireless E-TTL with any Canon EOS camera introduced prior to the EOS 5D Mark III or EOS-1D X, the maximum available sync speed for flash will be one stop slower than normal. (EOS 5D Mark II or original EOS 5D – 1/100th second; EOS 7D, 60D, 50D, etc – 1/125th second; all previous EOS Rebel models – 1/100th second.)

    This only applies when using radio-based wireless control of off-camera 600EX-RT Speedlites. If a 600EX-RT is simply used on-camera (alone), or if it's used for optical-based Wireless E-TTL in any way, the camera's normal, full flash sync speeds are available.
  • No high-speed sync: For radio-based wireless E-TTL, the only cameras that allow hi-speed flash sync will be the EOS 5D Mark III and EOS-1D X (as of March, 2012). It's not possible with any other previous EOS camera bodies, when combined with the radio-based wireless flash system.
    (Hi-speed sync is possible for both E-TTL and manual flash exposure if a single 600EX-RT is used on-camera with previous EOS models, as well as during optical-based wireless E-TTL.)
What a bummer. I think I'll stick with my Phottix Odin triggers. They do not suffer from these limitations.

Can you link the article please? Thanks.


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Mar 03, 2012 08:26 |  #5

nes_matt wrote in post #14013301 (external link)
Can you link the article please? Thanks.

Searching any phrase from the excerpts posted above (external link) gives this link to the article...

http://learn.usa.canon​.com …00exrt_radio_ba​sics.shtml (external link)


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Mar 03, 2012 08:29 |  #6

Subscribing (I want to know every limitations so I can feel happy about my recent purchase of Phottix Odin. ;) )



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Mar 03, 2012 09:09 |  #7

I'm still going to buy one. I friggen hate my 580exii's I own. So far they are holding up but I've already grenaded 3 of them with melted cct boards. I hope the 600ex will be more robust like the nikon flashes.


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Mar 03, 2012 09:42 as a reply to  @ AlanU's post |  #8

Well, I suppose Canon left a market for pocket wizard et al. No point in trying to out do the aftermarket radio triggers when they could focus R&D $ to other efforts...


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Mar 03, 2012 09:52 |  #9

SYS wrote in post #14013570 (external link)
Subscribing (I want to know every limitations so I can feel happy about my recent purchase of Phottix Odin. ;) )

They do 5 remote groups.. so that will be a bad start for you :(




  
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Mar 03, 2012 09:54 |  #10

PhotographersWorldWide wrote in post #14013934 (external link)
They do 5 remote groups.. so that will be a bad start for you :(

I only need two for what I shoot with them. But I guess 5 is nice to have.


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Mar 03, 2012 09:58 |  #11

PhotographersWorldWide wrote in post #14013934 (external link)
They do 5 remote groups.. so that will be a bad start for you :(

That's right. Overkill for my needs... :)



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Mar 03, 2012 10:01 as a reply to  @ SYS's post |  #12

1-stop is still workable for my purposes, but oh well, can't have it all I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Mar 03, 2012 10:59 |  #13

Output wise they should be the same.

No focus assist on the ST-E3-RT which IS STUPID




  
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Mar 04, 2012 06:04 |  #14

MJones wrote in post #14013879 (external link)
Well, I suppose Canon left a market for pocket wizard et al. No point in trying to out do the aftermarket radio triggers when they could focus R&D $ to other efforts...

I'm quite surprised and disappointed at all the limitations. It seems as if Canon engineered limitations to force people to throw out their old EX flashes and older camera bodies.

I've got a lot invested in Canon but lately Canon has given me increased reason to also own a Nikon system. I never thought I'd say that.


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Mar 04, 2012 14:49 |  #15

SunTsu wrote in post #14019058 (external link)
I'm quite surprised and disappointed at all the limitations. It seems as if Canon engineered limitations to force people to throw out their old EX flashes and older camera bodies.

I've got a lot invested in Canon but lately Canon has given me increased reason to also own a Nikon system. I never thought I'd say that.

I'm with you man. I have invested 15K in Canon gear and now they're trying to rip us. They're using Apple's business strategies.




  
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