The 5D3 has banding issues. (pattern noise)

Shadowblade wrote in post #14072829
Oh, and before you mention 'fill flash', what if those flowers were a field of wheat stalks moving in the wind, without a straight horizon? Can't use multiple exposure (movement), can't use GNDs (uneven horizon) and can't use flash (size). A fairly common scenario in landscape photography.

You buy a D800 and hope like HELL that your extra 2 stops at low ISO is sufficient to not ALSO blow out detail (while KNOWING that in MANY scenes like the one pictured, you're likely JUST as stuck with the SAME choices as with the Canon)....or you pay a great photographer from the thousands who use and love their Canon 5Ds for landscapes and who create and print and sell thousands of such images without any problem....or you test and select a modern HDR program that does a tremendously good job or auto-deghosting of such movement, and learn to use it. But you absolutely DO stop whinging incessantly about the same, single, "issue" for a camera that you've never used yet, to avoid folks thinking you're simply a one-dimensional troll?

Old Baldy wrote in post #14073504
You buy a D800 and hope like HELL that your extra 2 stops at low ISO is sufficient to not ALSO blow out detail (while KNOWING that in MANY scenes like the one pictured, you're likely JUST as stuck with the SAME choices as with the Canon)....or you pay a great photographer from the thousands who use and love their Canon 5Ds for landscapes and who create and print and sell thousands of such images without any problem....or you test and select a modern HDR program that does a tremendously good job or auto-deghosting of such movement, and learn to use it. But you absolutely DO stop whinging incessantly about the same, single, "issue" for a camera that you've never used yet, to avoid folks thinking you're simply a one-dimensional troll?

So if we stop talking about the issue, it will go away?

Old Baldy wrote in post #14073504
You buy a D800 and hope like HELL that your extra 2 stops at low ISO is sufficient to not ALSO blow out detail (while KNOWING that in MANY scenes like the one pictured, you're likely JUST as stuck with the SAME choices as with the Canon)....or you pay a great photographer from the thousands who use and love their Canon 5Ds for landscapes and who create and print and sell thousands of such images without any problem....or you test and select a modern HDR program that does a tremendously good job or auto-deghosting of such movement, and learn to use it. But you absolutely DO stop whinging incessantly about the same, single, "issue" for a camera that you've never used yet, to avoid folks thinking you're simply a one-dimensional troll?

It's not 'trolling' if you're continually rebutting the same platitudes from the same people who prefer to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that the problem doesn't exist, or that imperfect workarounds are a solution for all instances, or that, since it doesn't affect their kind of photography, it doesn't matter.

Poe wrote in post #14073123
With the 10s of thousands of posts on this forum, why is this one the one you want everyone to "move on" from? If you're tired of discussing it, stop reading and discussing it. Seems simple really.

And why is this the one people keep going over the same inane points again and again and again and again and again. The camera has not even shipped yet and already posters like you think it is useless and will never do. Please do buy the Nikon then .. seriously .. what IS the point? If the Canon does not meet your needs, buy something else .. or learn to shoot with what you have .. limitations and all.

Do you honestly your prejudgement of a camera that you have not used is really adding anything at all? Seriously? Damn that new Ferrari is crap - acceleration is .1s slower than the marketing brochure - I found that by timing a video broadcast - never driven it but why does that matter?

Yes, I don't have a problem. And 10,000's of others don't have the problem - otherwise the camera would be returned in droves and not the best selling FF camera from any manufacturer. My clients don't have a problem, my friends don't have a problem; it seems the minority do. Fine ... I am sure it is politically correct to pander to the minority "banders" but I don't give a fig .. sorry if that annoys this particular minority but that's life. My 5DII makes me money - I shoot high DR scenes and don't encounter the issue. Probably too thick to see it I guess

As you make a great deal from shooting landscapes and need technically perfect images, might a medium format device not suit you better?

Since when was 'commercial use' the be-all and end-all of photography, anyway?

If it were, then landscape, fine art, experimental and many other forms of photography wouldn't exist. We'd just have weddings, events, sports and advertising.

LOL @ this thread before any consumers can get a 5D3.

at least with the 7D people got one in their hands before complaining about banding

Shadowblade wrote in post #14073612
It's not 'trolling' if you're continually rebutting the same platitudes from the same people who prefer to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that the problem doesn't exist, or that imperfect workarounds are a solution for all instances, or that, since it doesn't affect their kind of photography, it doesn't matter.

Can you given an example when this problem affected you? Do you have a 5D2? Or do you use a Nikon or other gear for the kind of work 5D2/3 is not suitable?

I do understand that Nikons are superior but, alas, my Canon overlord forbids me from straying...
h ... e... l ..p

I made the switch from Nikon to Canon after 35 years because of the video capability of the 5D Mark II and have shot two movies with it. I have been very impressed with the camera until all these problems that I'm now reading about with banding issues and such limited DR. I've never been much of a tech head or pixel peeper so I didn't know how truly limited the camera was until now. I might have just continued on taking pictures and shooting movies, oblivious to how bad this camera functioned if it weren't for the indefatigable obsessive compulsives on here who spend so much time and energy to find them. Bless your efforts for saving me money as I'm now cancelling my order for the new Mark III until these outrageous issues are resolved. In fact, I've decided to give up all photography until such a time as when both Nikon and Canon solve these problems and deliver me a camera that operates properly.

I expected far better DR when I shoot heavily backlit and don't use multi-picture HDR processing or ND filters than what I'm getting. And what I mistook for sunrays now look like nothing more than obvious pattern noise. Just consider me an angry former Canon shooter.

^ Imagine how much better your landscape photos would have looked if you were able to push the fill by 100%?

YunusEmre wrote in post #14073892
Can you given an example when this problem affected you? Do you have a 5D2? Or do you use a Nikon or other gear for the kind of work 5D2/3 is not suitable?

Yes - I showed them earlier in the thread.

All involve subjects that are moving in some way (whether swaying slightly in a breeze, or actively moving), which don't have a straight-line transition zone for a GND and aren't amenable to fill flash.

And, of course, there are other shots which I just couldn't adequately capture, due to these limitations.

To me, asking, 'Why do you need more DR when you can just blend/HDR?' is just like asking, 'Why do you need full-frame/medium format when you can just use a crop body and stitch?'

Who cares, get out and take pictures. 95% of the people replying to this thread, myself included, aren't buying a 5d3 anyway. I've got a 5d1 and it's more than enough camera for me.

I'll go spend 3500 on glass and light, before I spend 500 on another body

KJacques wrote in post #14074067
In fact, I've decided to give up all photography until such a time as when both Nikon and Canon solve these problems and deliver me a camera that operates properly.

If you must, you must.

KJacques wrote in post #14074067
I expected far better DR when I shoot heavily backlit and don't use multi-picture HDR processing or ND filters than what I'm getting. And what I mistook for sunrays now look like nothing more than obvious pattern noise. Just consider me an angry former Canon shooter.

You're looking in the wrong spots for pattern noise. Sunrays are highlights, no?

Shadowblade wrote in post #14074178
To me, asking, 'Why do you need more DR when you can just blend/HDR?' is just like asking, 'Why do you need full-frame/medium format when you can just use a crop body and stitch?'

Well said!

j-dogg wrote in post #14074222
Who cares, get out and take pictures. 95% of the people replying to this thread, myself included, aren't buying a 5d3 anyway. I've got a 5d1 and it's more than enough camera for me.

I'll go spend 3500 on glass and light, before I spend 500 on another body

You obviously care, since you felt a strong urge to comment.