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wallace1837
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Mar 10, 2012 15:20 |  #1

Hi,
I have a Canon 50mm 1.8 II. When I shoot baby with the camera horizontal (mounted on a tripod) and the lens looking downward with manual focus, I lose the focus rapidly.

I usually focus on their eyes and then switch to manual and wait for a smile and shoot. The AF on that lens is not super rapid, so I would prefer to use the manual, set it up once and take many pictures. I tend to shoot at f1.8-2.2 so the DOF is shallow.

Unfortunately, it seems that the weight of the moving part is enough to move the lens downward and mess up my focus withing less 1-2 minutes.

Am I the only one with that issue? What would you do about it?

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Mar 10, 2012 15:26 |  #2

you can get a band or a rubber band to hold the focus where you want as a quick fix.


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Mar 10, 2012 17:45 |  #3

When using the tripod, do you have the IS turned off? Using a remote trigger or manually pressing the shutter release? Using your external flash?

At (I'm guessing) at a distance of 3-5 feet, you definitely have a shallow depth of field at nearly wide open aperture so any movement by the baby can be critical. Check the charts to find out how much depth of field you should expect - probably a lot less than you really need!

I have never experienced the f1.8 50mm lens sliding out of focus due to downward angle, but I can not say it could not happen. But I have definitely experienced out-of-focus pictures when using the fifty up-close at near wide-open in lower light situations. An off-camera flash with ceiling or wall bounce was my best solution for really nice photos.

Why not make sure IS is off, leave it in autofocus, and use a remote trigger to fire the camera? Also stopping down to f4 would be a big assist for DOF and sharper images even if the baby moves a little. Consider additional light for faster shutter speeds.

Taking pictures of your infants is great... you can never have too many (pictures, that is), and the subject never complains about the picture!




  
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Mar 10, 2012 17:59 as a reply to  @ David C's post |  #4

I'm pretty sure he had the IS off, completely off the lens that is.;-)a. There isnt one the nifty, not yet anyways.
Never experienced that with the nift-fifty, do you use it with the hood? The hood adds abit off weight, but i use mine with the hood, cant say have noticed any creep on it.


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Mar 10, 2012 21:10 |  #5

David C wrote in post #14063809 (external link)
When using the tripod, do you have the IS turned off? Using a remote trigger or manually pressing the shutter release? Using your external flash?

At (I'm guessing) at a distance of 3-5 feet, you definitely have a shallow depth of field at nearly wide open aperture so any movement by the baby can be critical. Check the charts to find out how much depth of field you should expect - probably a lot less than you really need!

I have never experienced the f1.8 50mm lens sliding out of focus due to downward angle, but I can not say it could not happen. But I have definitely experienced out-of-focus pictures when using the fifty up-close at near wide-open in lower light situations. An off-camera flash with ceiling or wall bounce was my best solution for really nice photos.

Why not make sure IS is off, leave it in autofocus, and use a remote trigger to fire the camera? Also stopping down to f4 would be a big assist for DOF and sharper images even if the baby moves a little. Consider additional light for faster shutter speeds.

Taking pictures of your infants is great... you can never have too many (pictures, that is), and the subject never complains about the picture!

Hi,
There is no IS on my lens.

I sometime use a remote.

My subject cannot lift her head, yet, so once I focus on her eyes, the distance does not change. She can make lateral move, so if I am on AF, sometime I focus on the ground. Also the AF is slow on that lens, so I end up missing some smile.

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Mar 10, 2012 21:12 |  #6

The Warlock wrote in post #14063865 (external link)
I'm pretty sure he had the IS off, completely off the lens that is.;-)a. There isnt one the nifty, not yet anyways.
Never experienced that with the nift-fifty, do you use it with the hood? The hood adds abit off weight, but i use mine with the hood, cant say have noticed any creep on it.

Yes I have a hood and a UV filter


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Mar 11, 2012 01:01 as a reply to  @ wallace1837's post |  #7

Does it lenscreep with these off?


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Mar 11, 2012 01:53 |  #8

Lose the filter; gaffer tape; save for a 50/1.4 if you like that FL.

Or, shoot horizontally and use a mirror!




  
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Mar 11, 2012 01:54 |  #9

Oh - are you sure your tripod or head isn't slipping?




  
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Mar 11, 2012 08:50 |  #10

xarqi wrote in post #14065571 (external link)
Oh - are you sure your tripod or head isn't slipping?

The head isn't slipping. The frame is the same I only lose the focus.


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Mar 17, 2012 18:49 as a reply to  @ wallace1837's post |  #11

Am I the only one experiencing this?

Is my lens faulty?


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Bower 14mm 2.8, Takumar 28.mm 3.5, Bower 35mm 1.4, Takumar 50mm 1.4, Canon 50mm 1.8, mamiya 55mm 1.8, Samyang 85mm 1.4, Meyer-optik 135 2.8, Mamiya 135mm 2.8, Takumar 135mm 3.5, Mamiya 400mm 6.3
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Mar 17, 2012 19:06 |  #12

The only moving part is the zoom. So if it's weighted down its gonna move.


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Mar 17, 2012 20:35 |  #13

the 50/1.8 has an internal focus so i wouldn't think that creep would be an issue. you could try some gaffers tape to hold the focus in position. what kind of tripod do you use?


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Mar 17, 2012 21:02 |  #14

peeaanuut wrote in post #14104469 (external link)
The only moving part is the zoom. So if it's weighted down its gonna move.

What zoom? It's not a zoom lens.




  
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Mar 17, 2012 22:42 |  #15

mike_311 wrote in post #14104817 (external link)
the 50/1.8 has an internal focus so i wouldn't think that creep would be an issue. you could try some gaffers tape to hold the focus in position. what kind of tripod do you use?

Manfrotto 055xprob with 486 rc2 When I experience the problem the top part is on the horizontal position (http://www.doobybrain.​com …anfrotto-055xprob-tripod/ (external link) third picture on the right).

Head is secure. Frame does not change between picture, only focus get messed up.

I am not sure about the rubber band, since it would have to stick to both the fixed mart and the moving part of the focus. I would thus need large rubber band.


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Bower 14mm 2.8, Takumar 28.mm 3.5, Bower 35mm 1.4, Takumar 50mm 1.4, Canon 50mm 1.8, mamiya 55mm 1.8, Samyang 85mm 1.4, Meyer-optik 135 2.8, Mamiya 135mm 2.8, Takumar 135mm 3.5, Mamiya 400mm 6.3
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