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Mar 11, 2012 10:35 |  #1

I have made up my mind (I think) to purchase a Canon 60D (Vs a 7D).
I love composition, especially landcsapes-not into technical aspects of photography.


1) Does the 60D have an in-camera leveling guide? I have used other DSLR's that have the grid lines showing camera level. Really helps in hand held landscape shots.

2) Is the 18-135 kit lens acceptable for landscapes? I have talked to others who own this lens and they tell me it is satisfactory.

3) Is a lens hood a good intial investment (I believe so)?

4) I am looking to return to Italy in 2013. I need a good lens for "no flash" indoor photography. I plan to purchase this lens in the next 9-12 months and I want to look for this lens when it "goes on sale". What would be a good lens for this type of application?

5) I see there are LCD lens protector guards you can purchase for the 60D. I purchased some for my G9 but they didn't work well at all- kept peeling off. Do LCD lens protectors really work?




  
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Mar 11, 2012 10:52 |  #2

viperbass wrote in post #14066585 (external link)
I have made up my mind (I think) to purchase a Canon 60D (Vs a 7D).
I love composition, especially landcsapes-not into technical aspects of photography.

I have used both extensively but I like the 7D much much better. There is not much between the two in many areas, but where there is the 7D is much better. If you like the idea of using the swivel screen for composition then that may be a plus for the 60D.

viperbass wrote in post #14066585 (external link)
1) Does the 60D have an in-camera leveling guide? I have used other DSLR's that have the grid lines showing camera level. Really helps in hand held landscape shots.

Both cameras have the Electronic Level Display (external link)

viperbass wrote in post #14066585 (external link)
2) Is the 18-135 kit lens acceptable for landscapes? I have talked to others who own this lens and they tell me it is satisfactory.

Really depends on what you consider acceptable, but it is certainly nowhere near the lanscape oriented L lenses discussed extensively on POTN.

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3) Is a lens hood a good intial investment (I believe so)?

For fighting flare, yes.

viperbass wrote in post #14066585 (external link)
4) ...I need a good lens for "no flash" indoor photography. I plan to purchase this lens in the next 9-12 months and I want to look for this lens when it "goes on sale". What would be a good lens for this type of application?

You need a fast lens (with a large maximum aperture).


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Mar 11, 2012 10:55 |  #3

viperbass wrote in post #14066585 (external link)
I have made up my mind (I think) to purchase a Canon 60D (Vs a 7D).
I love composition, especially landcsapes-not into technical aspects of photography.


1) Does the 60D have an in-camera leveling guide? I have used other DSLR's that have the grid lines showing camera level. Really helps in hand held landscape shots. It has an electronic level

2) Is the 18-135 kit lens acceptable for landscapes? I have talked to others who own this lens and they tell me it is satisfactory. I have the 18-200 and I am happy with it... I checked tests and the 18-135 looked pretty good too...

3) Is a lens hood a good intial investment (I believe so)? Yes! Even when you wear it backward (for carrying around/storage/not needed, something the purists frown at...) it will cushion a blow. Even more so in the normal position. It also cuts the lens flare :lol:

4) I am looking to return to Italy in 2013. I need a good lens for "no flash" indoor photography. I plan to purchase this lens in the next 9-12 months and I want to look for this lens when it "goes on sale". What would be a good lens for this type of application? A wide 2.8 What you can afford

5) I see there are LCD lens protector guards you can purchase for the 60D. I purchased some for my G9 but they didn't work well at all- kept peeling off. Do LCD lens protectors really work?

Yes, I have them in all my screens. I have a 4-year old Ixus with the original protector still on. A 6 year old PDA with a touch screen of course. I changed the protector 3 months ago.


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Mar 11, 2012 16:17 as a reply to  @ MakisM1's post |  #4

If youre not doing tons of action shooting or small bird in flight shooting the 60d will perform just like the 7d.
my best friend has a 7d and our photos are very similar (we both use L glass) for birding.

get the hood,
the 18-135 is decent enough if you do your part.
there are screen protectors, I got mine at B&H.

enjoy it.



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Mar 11, 2012 16:22 as a reply to  @ jhayesvw's post |  #5

The One Pixel Wonder wrote in post #14066659 (external link)
I have used both extensively but I like the 7D much much better. There is not much between the two in many areas, but where there is the 7D is much better..


Im not sure where you think the 7d is "much better" except AF and frames per second.
The sensor is the same, the noise is the same, the bodies are similar size and close in weight. the LCD screens are very similar (60d is a bit nicer not that its noticable).
the weather proofing isnt even that great on the 7d, its a tad better than the 60d.



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Mar 11, 2012 18:07 |  #6

Why dont you buy the camera as body only and get a large aperture lens from the beginning? That way you can have your indoors low light and landscapes covered. Is there any reason you need the extra zoom? a cheap low light lens that comes to mind is the tamron 17-50 f 2.8. Cost around $300 and will cover landscapes and indoor low light and comes with a hood. I do find myself needing more zoom so im saving up to pair it with a 70-200 f4 L IS. They cost around $800 second hand and is a semi low light capable lens that is crazy sharp! The filter threads are the same size so should you ever get a polarizer one day for those landscapes, it will be a bonus that you can use it on both lenses.


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Mar 11, 2012 20:29 |  #7

viperbass wrote in post #14066585 (external link)
I need a good lens for "no flash" indoor photography. I plan to purchase this lens in the next 9-12 months and I want to look for this lens when it "goes on sale". What would be a good lens for this type of application?

The Canon 50mm f/1.8 II, (external link) which produced these images in a dimly-illuminated room with available light and no flash.

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Focal Length: 50.0mm
Aperture: f/2.8
Exposure Time: 0.017 s (1/60)
ISO equiv: 6400
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: program (Auto)
White Balance: Manual
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Color Space: sRGB

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Focal Length: 50.0mm
Aperture: f/1.8
Exposure Time: 0.010 s (1/100)
ISO equiv: 6400
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Center Weight
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Manual
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Color Space: sRGB


These images were cleaned up with Imagenomic Noiseware.

The Canon 50mm f/1.8 II is, for the money, as good a low-light lens as you'll find. It's most useful for the increasingly rare photographer who judges equipment solely on its ability to generate images.

viperbass wrote in post #14066585 (external link)
I see there are LCD lens protector guards you can purchase for the 60D. I purchased some for my G9 but they didn't work well at all- kept peeling off. Do LCD lens protectors really work?

Consider Super Hoodskins. (external link) From actually using them on real cameras, they fit and don't fall off. One of those protectors has been on a camera for nearly two years and has not moved or peled.




  
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Mar 12, 2012 09:55 |  #8

in response to the 18-135. i hated it. i know some like it, maybe my copy was bad, but I would look at my pictures from my 50/1.8 and wish the quality was even somewhat close, hell even the 18-55 kit lens on my old rebel was better. good build quality but the optics for me were very unsatisfactory. i hated it so much i didn't even want to use it.

i have since moved onto a tamron 24-75/2.8 and a tamron 10-24. the 10-24 is amazing for landscapes. if you think about it on a crop body 18mm is like 28mm and a 10mm is like 16mm, huge difference.

not sure what you budget is, but i bought both those lenses used and it ran me about $650.

i sold my 18-135 for $250 so if you can get it for cheaper in a kit than that by it and sell it if you dont like it. there are tons of rebel owners looking for one to pawn it off on.

otherwise i'd suggest buying the body only and getting a 17-50/2.8, or for a larger range some type of 24-75ish and 10-20ish.


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Mar 12, 2012 10:05 |  #9

Get the body without the kit lens and pick up a Canon EF-S 15-85mm IS. It is a very versatile lens suitable for landscape work or as a general walkaround lens. I find it to be an excellent combination.


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Mar 12, 2012 11:11 |  #10

whoops, i didn't see the OP wanting fats glass for indoor. in that case id go with two fast primes, 30mm and 50mm.

and then add an ultrawide for landscape. the 18-135 will never cut it indoors, nor would the 15-85, a constant 2.8 lens will if you bump up the iso up, but unless you get L quality they will be soft wide open. i say get primes.


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Mar 12, 2012 11:23 |  #11

mike_311 wrote in post #14071965 (external link)
whoops, i didn't see the OP wanting fats glass for indoor. in that case id go with two fast primes, 30mm and 50mm.

and then add an ultrawide for landscape. the 18-135 will never cut it indoors, nor would the 15-85, a constant 2.8 lens will if you bump up the iso up, but unless you get L quality they will be soft wide open. i say get primes.

I beg to differ, the 17-55 is darn sharp wide open, of course it is also by far the most expensive EF-S lens and is optically considered to be of L quality..and price.

To the OP- Get the 60D, it is a great camera.

What is your budget for your indoor lens?


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Mar 12, 2012 12:22 |  #12

Keyan wrote in post #14072011 (external link)
I beg to differ, the 17-55 is darn sharp wide open, of course it is also by far the most expensive EF-S lens and is optically considered to be of L quality..and price.

obviously there are exceptions, but generally a fast prime will suit the OP much better as they can open wider than 2.8 and still be sharp.


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Mar 12, 2012 12:29 |  #13

mike_311 wrote in post #14072330 (external link)
obviously there are exceptions, but generally a fast prime will suit the OP much better as they can open wider than 2.8 and still be sharp.

Oops, I misread your comment a bit and missed the "unless you get L quality"..which you could say the EF-S 17-55 is.


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Mar 12, 2012 12:32 |  #14

Ok!...

The cost of the EF-S 18-135 as a kit lens (with the body...) is $300.

If the OP bought the body alone, here's the price comparison with the lenses proposed (B&H prices):

EF-S 18-135: $300

EF-S 15-85: $734

EF-S 17-55 2.8 $1099

Frankly, I don't think that buying 1/3 of a F-stop (from 3.5 to 2.8) in terms of lighting is what will save the day in terms of lighting.

You buy the 2.8 more for the shallow depth of field.

Yes, you can buy some primes for the price of the 17-55 (in the 1.8-2.8 range) but they 're not as convenient in close quarters as a zoom. Always, as far as the DOF is concerned...

If we are to give the OP advice, let's stay withing the realm of the reasonable. Otherwise, Hasselblads are good too for indoor shooting (I've heard..).


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Mar 12, 2012 12:49 |  #15

MakisM1 wrote in post #14072401 (external link)
Ok!...

The cost of the EF-S 18-135 as a kit lens (with the body...) is $300.

If the OP bought the body alone, here's the price comparison with the lenses proposed (B&H prices):

EF-S 18-135: $300

EF-S 15-85: $734

EF-S 17-55 2.8 $1099

Frankly, I don't think that buying 1/3 of a F-stop (from 3.5 to 2.8) in terms of lighting is what will save the day in terms of lighting.

You buy the 2.8 more for the shallow depth of field.

Yes, you can buy some primes for the price of the 17-55 (in the 1.8-2.8 range) but they 're not as convenient in close quarters as a zoom. Always, as far as the DOF is concerned...

If we are to give the OP advice, let's stay withing the realm of the reasonable. Otherwise, Hasselblads are good too for indoor shooting (I've heard..).

first you are limiting the search to canon brand when tamron and sigma offer fantastic alternatives with nearly identical image quality for half the price..

two its not just a 1/3 of stop. its f2.8 all the way through the zoom, where the other lenses will only open to 5.6 at the longest end. it falls off pretty quick once you zoom.


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