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Mar 11, 2012 23:50 |  #1

ok guys... need some help.

with the 5D Mark III now available for pre-order, the Mark II has been getting more and more affordable. the prospect has got me thinking to finally make the switch to FF from the 60D. with that in mind, i'll have to sell the FF because i can't really stretch my funds to get the Mark II and keep everything.

so these are the things which i might end up selling to make the jump to FF:
60D
70-200 f/4L
35mm f/2
50mm f/1.8

when i make the switch to FF, i'll prolly end up with this setup:
5D Mark II
17-40 f/4L
50mm f/1.4
100mm f/2

there are some things which are holding me back:
1) bye bye 60D :( it's only been a little over a year with me and it has served me really well
2) bye bye 70-200 f/4L :(
3) bye bye 35mm f/2 - only been 3 months but i really love this lens
4) wireless flash control - this i have found to be quite useful and going 5D II means i'll have to leave it behind
5) AF: not that the 60D's AF is the best but i'm just worried that the 5D II's older/dated AF system would cause me trouble during those critical moments (like say covering a wedding or a party)
6) weight: then again, if i'm making a switch to primes, it should be easier. i'm thinking of swapping the 17-40 for a new 28 f/1.8 but i think the UWA-ness of the 17-40 is more fun than shooting at 28mm at f/1.8 :|

any thoughts?


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Mar 12, 2012 00:01 |  #2

deanedward wrote in post #14070019 (external link)
ok guys... need some help.

with the 5D Mark III now available for pre-order, the Mark II has been getting more and more affordable. the prospect has got me thinking to finally make the switch to FF from the 60D. with that in mind, i'll have to sell the FF because i can't really stretch my funds to get the Mark II and keep everything.

so these are the things which i might end up selling to make the jump to FF:
60D
70-200 f/4L
35mm f/2
50mm f/1.8

when i make the switch to FF, i'll prolly end up with this setup:
5D Mark II
17-40 f/4L
50mm f/1.4
100mm f/2

there are some things which are holding me back:
1) bye bye 60D :( it's only been a little over a year with me and it has served me really well
2) bye bye 70-200 f/4L :(
3) bye bye 35mm f/2 - only been 3 months but i really love this lens
4) wireless flash control - this i have found to be quite useful and going 5D II means i'll have to leave it behind
5) AF: not that the 60D's AF is the best but i'm just worried that the 5D II's older/dated AF system would cause me trouble during those critical moments (like say covering a wedding or a party)
6) weight: then again, if i'm making a switch to primes, it should be easier. i'm thinking of swapping the 17-40 for a new 28 f/1.8 but i think the UWA-ness of the 17-40 is more fun than shooting at 28mm at f/1.8 :|

any thoughts?

I love my 100 f/2 on my 60D, and I imagine it is even better on the FF 5Dii. The lens is completely sharp and a bargain.


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Mar 12, 2012 05:36 |  #3

deanedward wrote in post #14070019 (external link)
ok guys... need some help.

with the 5D Mark III now available for pre-order, the Mark II has been getting more and more affordable. the prospect has got me thinking to finally make the switch to FF from the 60D. with that in mind, i'll have to sell the FF because i can't really stretch my funds to get the Mark II and keep everything.

so these are the things which i might end up selling to make the jump to FF:
60D
70-200 f/4L
35mm f/2
50mm f/1.8

when i make the switch to FF, i'll prolly end up with this setup:
5D Mark II
17-40 f/4L
50mm f/1.4
100mm f/2

there are some things which are holding me back:
1) bye bye 60D :( it's only been a little over a year with me and it has served me really well
2) bye bye 70-200 f/4L :(
3) bye bye 35mm f/2 - only been 3 months but i really love this lens
4) wireless flash control - this i have found to be quite useful and going 5D II means i'll have to leave it behind
5) AF: not that the 60D's AF is the best but i'm just worried that the 5D II's older/dated AF system would cause me trouble during those critical moments (like say covering a wedding or a party)
6) weight: then again, if i'm making a switch to primes, it should be easier. i'm thinking of swapping the 17-40 for a new 28 f/1.8 but i think the UWA-ness of the 17-40 is more fun than shooting at 28mm at f/1.8 :|

any thoughts?

looks like a good plan, instead of the 17-40 try going the prime route




  
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Mar 12, 2012 05:50 |  #4
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Hehe. I did the same thing exactly 4 months ago; sold a 60D to my buddy and bought a 5DII. Never looked back. But guess what? The 5DII is SO good that I bought another one two months later!!


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Mar 12, 2012 06:01 |  #5

Tough choice, what is the 60D not doing for you that makes you wish to go for the 5DmkII? I wouldn't like having to lose that number of lenses, especially the 70-200..... more so when you lose the crop factor of the APS-C sensor so looks like you would be down to 100mm as the longest lens. Before you had a 35mm equivalent field of view of 320mm, that's a load to lose.

I'm not saying the 5DmkII isn't great, I have 2 of them, it's just how much you are giving up to get one that I would find limiting kit wise.


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Mar 12, 2012 07:13 |  #6

I just made the same move. No regrets!


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Mar 12, 2012 08:05 |  #7

My 5DII will be here tomorrow :). I'm keeping the 60D though for wildlife/sports stuff though. It is very versatile with that 100-400 lens that I would just hate to miss the range that I have with it


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Mar 12, 2012 10:09 |  #8

I bought a 5dmkII and love it. The AF isn't that big of an issue for me because I mostly shoot stationary subjects. I still held on to the 60D for a while because I could, but I didn't really find myself shooting with it as much once I got the mkII.

I sold the 60D and the 17-55 and bought a 1dMKIII for shooting kids functions, school sports, plays, etc... much better AF, but a particularly decent learning curve getting AF to be what you want it to be.

You won't be disappointed with a 5dmkII, at all.


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Mar 12, 2012 11:34 |  #9

The first question that comes to mind is... Why? What, exactly, do you expect FF to do for you? Unless you are making big prints... really big prints.. you are unlikely to see much benefit from full frame.

The second question is... What do you shoot, mostly? If it's mostly stationary subjects, the 5D2 will be fine. But, if you shoot a lot of sports/action subjects, the 60D would be a better choice for it's more responsive, better tracking AF (7D would be better... and 1D series even better yet).

As to some of your other concerns, if you have good reason to make the jump to FF and the camera's AF performance isn't a hindrance...

1.) Get the right tool for the job, whatever that may be.
2.) Why would you let the 70-200 go? It's every bit as good on FF as it is on the cropper.
3.) Why let the 35/2 go? We all feel differently about focal lengths. Personally, I wouldn't use a 35mm lens on a cropper, but it's one of my favorite focal lengths on FF. Conversely, my 50/1.4 sees the most use by far on my crop cameras, the focal length makes me yawn on FF (tho I use it when it's appropriate, of course).
4.) An ST-E2 module is small, lightweight and easily slips into the 5D2's hot shoe to give you better wireless flash control than the 60D can do with its built in control. The module also can provide focus assist, in low light situations
5.) AF... see above.
6.) Weight... well, can't do much about that. With FF both the camera and the lenses will be heavier, and in some cases bigger... and often more expensive... Sometimes a whole lot more expensive. That's just the nature of FF... Lenses have to produce a larger image circle to fully cover the bigger sensor... And, as you know, focal lengths perform differently. For example, if I want to get the same reach I'm getting 300/4 IS on my 7D, which is pretty easily handheld, with my 5D2 I have to get out the 500/4 IS and a sturdy tripod.

IMO, 5D2 is good to about one stop higher ISO than 60D... And 5D2's AF system can continue to focus, tho pretty slowly, about 1 EV lower than any of the current crop cameras (including 7D). So 5D2 might be more ideal for low light shooters.

I am not saying "don't do it"... Just pointing out some pluses and minuses. Go into this with your eyes wide open, not clouded by all the things you've heard. There's a whole lot of hype about "full frame goodness".... some true, some exaggerated. At the same time, crop cameras are made out to be worse than they are. A FF "upgrade" won't magically endow great skill as a photographer onto anyone.

FF might be ideal for some folks, while for others it's a waste of money or even detrimental.

So consider what you really need to shoot and what your end results will be, to best decide.

I shoot with both crop and full frame cameras - currently 7D and 5DII - using them for different purposes. On average I shoot about 10X as many images (around 50,000 a year) with crop as I do with FF (roughly 5000 a year). I prefer the combo of 1.6X crop and FF, instead of 1.3X crop (1D series).

Lens choices...

I agree with the upgrade from 50/1.8 to 50/1.4.... Besides the physical differences in size and materials, AF performance is probably the biggest difference you'll notice... It's faster and more accurate on the f1.4 lens. There are relatively subtle image quality differences, too... the f1.4 lens is more resistant to flare, so gives better contrast and color saturation.... and gives nicer bokeh thanks to an 8-blade aperture (vs 5-blade). One suggestion, If you get the f1.4 lens also be sure to get the matching lens hood and use it. The AF mechanism of the 50/1.4 is a little fragile, the hood helps protect it from accidental bumps, both when in use and when the hood is reversed for storage.

I'd be careful about swapping out the 17-40 for a prime. Depending on what you are shooting, a zoom can be essential. Personally I prefer primes, the 28/1.8 is one I use and recommend... but it's not a substitute for a zoom in some situations. The only thing, if you stick with a crop camera, you might want to consider a Canon 10-22 or Tokina 12-24 or similar.

The 100/2 will be nice on either. Personally I use 85/1.8 and 135/2 instead, but the 100/2 is a good alternative to that pair of lenses. I only got the 135/2 a couple years ago, at the same time I added the 5D2 to my kit. For me it was an "essential" lens with the FF camera, but not something I needed with crop. Again, we all have different needs and preferences for focal lengths.... and that's as it should be.


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Mar 12, 2012 12:06 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #10

IMO it's not worth it especially if you have to sell the 70-200 to fund the upgrade. It's actually a downgrade in certain areas.

- no wireless flash
- no swivel screen
- worse AF
- less FPS

what do you gain by moving to FF? but my needs are probably very different to yours, so only you can decide if it's worth it.


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Mar 12, 2012 20:19 |  #11

thanks for the heads up :)

i'm primarily a hobbyist who just likes taking photos in a variety of conditions/situations. i only occassionally do backup photography for weddings for my friend and so far, the 60D + primes have always delivered the results. i was just thinking that things would be better if i went FF but yeah, losing the 70-200 is a bit of a bummer. as things stand, selling (almost) everything is the only way for me to go FF right now so it's a tough choice to make. while the 5D II will go down in terms of price, so will the resale value of my 60D if i hold on to it for longer... so decisions decisions :|


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Mar 12, 2012 20:35 |  #12

deanedward wrote in post #14075035 (external link)
thanks for the heads up :)

i'm primarily a hobbyist who just likes taking photos in a variety of conditions/situations. i only occassionally do backup photography for weddings for my friend and so far, the 60D + primes have always delivered the results. i was just thinking that things would be better if i went FF but yeah, losing the 70-200 is a bit of a bummer. as things stand, selling (almost) everything is the only way for me to go FF right now so it's a tough choice to make. while the 5D II will go down in terms of price, so will the resale value of my 60D if i hold on to it for longer... so decisions decisions :|

To me it sounds like you have "gas".....gear acusition syndrome.




  
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Mar 13, 2012 00:05 |  #13

You couldn't pull the 70-200 f/4 IS from my cold dead hands. I would keep this lens.
I suspect the 35mm f/2 would be an excellent option for the FF and I would likely have kept this as well. As other's have said, it isn't as good on a crop as it would be on a FF.

From what I hear, the 70-200 is even better on a FF.

Going to the 5D II from the 60D is a no brainer unless you shoot a lot of action (kids/sports). The price is coming down and will come down even more in the coming weeks. You can get one for $1700 if you look hard enough.

I think you are making a lot of sacrifices to get there, glass is almost always better than body.


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Mar 13, 2012 01:21 |  #14

that's already given hahaha but objectively, the IQ should be significantly better with the 5D II, right?


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Mar 13, 2012 02:06 |  #15

deanedward wrote in post #14076525 (external link)
that's already given hahaha but objectively, the IQ should be significantly better with the 5D II, right?

Yes, IQ is a lot better.


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