Some news about the future version of DPP and the 5D Mark III

Saxi wrote in post #14080786
I hope Lightroom is able to mimic this type of functionality. I do not want to run files through DPP and I don't want 3x the file size either. Will test both once I get my hands on it.

That will depend on how good Adobe will be at guessing what all the data means, we should remember that all raw convertors apart from DPP are reverse engineered and are only making good guesses as to what the data should be doing.

I would think the data needed to make DLO work properly has to be extremely well understood and a 99% correct guess just will not do.

whiteflyer wrote in post #14098050
That will depend on how good Adobe will be at guessing what all the data means, we should remember that all raw convertors apart from DPP are reverse engineered and are only making good guesses as to what the data should be doing.

I would think the data needed to make DLO work properly has to be extremely well understood and a 99% correct guess just will not do.

Some of the stuff would be pretty tough to figure out, but the deconvolution filter (assuming that's what it does) to "undo" the AA filter softening should be remarkably easy. Take picture of a bunch of point light sources at center of image w/lenses with very low abberation. Run through, compare, get blur kernel. Then use that kernel to deblur images (there's some command line software out there that will let you use a black and white image as a blur kernel)...if it works really well we'll probably see something like it in Raw Therapee before it appears anywhere else. ^_^

Edit: don't count on adobe getting something like that anytime soon, the demosaicing algorithm is still "not the best" in process 2012...but I think adobe has to make something that works well for most things, runs fast, and is something easily maintainable across multiple brands and such--and most of the time it works very very well. But it has taken them a very long time to get auto CA correction that works reasonably well, while some other packages have had it for quite some time. But usually when adobe implements something it works well for 99% of the images out there and delivers a good result with a small amount of effort and it's consistent...and this seems like something hard to get to that point I would think...

Preface: Please don't post or pm me to send it to you or post it online anywhere, I was asked by a mod to not discuss downloading or distributing Canon software that was not freely available on their web site, and I must respect that--their position makes sense to me and it is their site I am just a guest.

Now then! Here's some info on it:

1. The new version of DPP is 3.11.10.0.

2. I don't know about the HDR stuff, sorry.

3. Yes, it DOES make the CR2 file HUGE. It balloons my 60d raws from 20-28mb to 45mb ish.

5. The good news is ACR will still open the raw file and view the plain old raw data just fine (it seems to just ignore the added info). Raw Therapee also opens it fine and ignores the added info.

6. It takes about 5-10 seconds to process the DLO on my box (4.8ghz sandy bridge quad without hyperthreading). It seems to be well multithreaded (good job Canon). You get a box that pops up with a slider that you can adjust the strength of the effect. 100% seems good on low ISO images. It amplifies noise a lot. It grays out the old CA adjustment but Color Blur, Distortion, and Periph. Illumination Correction still are there to use with it. The crops below that have DLO off have CA on (to make it more fair).

7. It definitely seems to help a bit. I'm not sure if it'll let you get more detail out of your raw files than ACR or Raw Therapee though, to be honest. I don't have time to delve into great detail at the moment but it does help.

8. It's not going to make your 5d3 out resolve a D800, that's for sure...it's not a magic fix or a new revolutionary feature or anything like that. It's not going to take the place of a sharper lens. It does seem to do a great job correcting for the AA filter though.

9. Supported lenses are: 14mm II L, 24mm II L, 35mm L, 50mm L, 50 1.4, 85 L II, 300 f2.8L II, 400 f2.8L II, 500L II, 600L II, 16-35 version 1 and 2, 17-40, 24-70 version 1 and 2, 24-105L, 28-300L, All 70-200Ls EXCEPT the non-IS f2.8 version, the 70-300L, 100-400L, 10-22, 15-85, 17-55mm, 17-85, 18-135, and 18-200mm. Supposedly more will be added, but who knows.

Now, some crops. Sharpening all set to 0 in DPP. Crops one and two that are OFF had smart sharpening applied 80 .8 . The ON ones have no sharpening at all. The third image has no sharpening for either one. Otherwise they are straight out of DPP.

woos wrote in post #14100453
Preface: Please don't post or pm me to send it to you or post it online anywhere, I was asked by a mod to not discuss downloading or distributing Canon software that was not freely available on their web site, and I must respect that--their position makes sense to me and it is their site I am just a guest.

Now then! Here's some info on it:

1. The new version of DPP is 3.11.10.0.

2. I don't know about the HDR stuff, sorry.

3. Yes, it DOES make the CR2 file HUGE. It balloons my 60d raws from 20-28mb to 45mb ish.

5. The good news is ACR will still open the raw file and view the plain old raw data just fine (it seems to just ignore the added info). Raw Therapee also opens it fine and ignores the added info.

6. It takes about 5-10 seconds to process the DLO on my box (4.8ghz sandy bridge quad without hyperthreading). It seems to be well multithreaded (good job Canon). You get a box that pops up with a slider that you can adjust the strength of the effect. 100% seems good on low ISO images. It amplifies noise a lot. It grays out the old CA adjustment but Color Blur, Distortion, and Periph. Illumination Correction still are there to use with it. The crops below that have DLO off have CA on (to make it more fair).

7. It definitely seems to help a bit. I'm not sure if it'll let you get more detail out of your raw files than ACR or Raw Therapee though, to be honest. I don't have time to delve into great detail at the moment but it does help.

8. It's not going to make your 5d3 out resolve a D800, that's for sure...it's not a magic fix or a new revolutionary feature or anything like that. It's not going to take the place of a sharper lens. It does seem to do a great job correcting for the AA filter though.

9. Supported lenses are: 14mm II L, 24mm II L, 35mm L, 50mm L, 50 1.4, 85 L II, 300 f2.8L II, 400 f2.8L II, 500L II, 600L II, 16-35 version 1 and 2, 17-40, 24-70 version 1 and 2, 24-105L, 28-300L, All 70-200Ls EXCEPT the non-IS f2.8 version, the 70-300L, 100-400L, 10-22, 15-85, 17-55mm, 17-85, 18-135, and 18-200mm. Supposedly more will be added, but who knows.

Now, some crops. Sharpening all set to 0 in DPP. Crops one and two that are OFF had smart sharpening applied 80 .8 . The ON ones have no sharpening at all. The third image has no sharpening for either one. Otherwise they are straight out of DPP.

Wow! Good stuff! Thanks for sharing!

Some snapshots of this new version are available here : http://www.facebook.co​m …eatures/1015060​5051749480

Oohhh geotagging too, neato!

woos wrote in post #14100453
Preface: Please don't post or pm me to send it to you or post it online anywhere, I was asked by a mod to not discuss downloading or distributing Canon software that was not freely available on their web site, and I must respect that--their position makes sense to me and it is their site I am just a guest.

Now then! Here's some info on it:

1. The new version of DPP is 3.11.10.0.

2. I don't know about the HDR stuff, sorry.

3. Yes, it DOES make the CR2 file HUGE. It balloons my 60d raws from 20-28mb to 45mb ish.

5. The good news is ACR will still open the raw file and view the plain old raw data just fine (it seems to just ignore the added info). Raw Therapee also opens it fine and ignores the added info.

6. It takes about 5-10 seconds to process the DLO on my box (4.8ghz sandy bridge quad without hyperthreading). It seems to be well multithreaded (good job Canon). You get a box that pops up with a slider that you can adjust the strength of the effect. 100% seems good on low ISO images. It amplifies noise a lot. It grays out the old CA adjustment but Color Blur, Distortion, and Periph. Illumination Correction still are there to use with it. The crops below that have DLO off have CA on (to make it more fair).

7. It definitely seems to help a bit. I'm not sure if it'll let you get more detail out of your raw files than ACR or Raw Therapee though, to be honest. I don't have time to delve into great detail at the moment but it does help.

8. It's not going to make your 5d3 out resolve a D800, that's for sure...it's not a magic fix or a new revolutionary feature or anything like that. It's not going to take the place of a sharper lens. It does seem to do a great job correcting for the AA filter though.

9. Supported lenses are: 14mm II L, 24mm II L, 35mm L, 50mm L, 50 1.4, 85 L II, 300 f2.8L II, 400 f2.8L II, 500L II, 600L II, 16-35 version 1 and 2, 17-40, 24-70 version 1 and 2, 24-105L, 28-300L, All 70-200Ls EXCEPT the non-IS f2.8 version, the 70-300L, 100-400L, 10-22, 15-85, 17-55mm, 17-85, 18-135, and 18-200mm. Supposedly more will be added, but who knows.

Now, some crops. Sharpening all set to 0 in DPP. Crops one and two that are OFF had smart sharpening applied 80 .8 . The ON ones have no sharpening at all. The third image has no sharpening for either one. Otherwise they are straight out of DPP.

If you have time, can you point out what we're seeing here. I'm not seeing much difference in these except for maybe some CA being removed from the bird's beak. Thx.

woos wrote in post #14100453
Crops one and two that are OFF had smart sharpening applied 80 .8 . The ON ones have no sharpening at all.
The third image has no sharpening for either one. Otherwise they are straight out of DPP.

There is a difference in the third image, more detail, but it is not huge. It will probably depend a lot on the scene. It is hard to say if this new feature will be worth the huge files and processing power required. Will be interesting to see how much more sharpening you can add on top of DLO.

I see a big difference in sharpening for the second photo. Look at the eye.
In the third also.

Would like to see the first two without smart sharpening, just to see what DLO can do.

J_R2 wrote in post #14103895
There is a difference in the third image, more detail, but it is not huge. It will probably depend a lot on the scene. It is hard to say if this new feature will be worth the huge files and processing power required. Will be interesting to see how much more sharpening you can add on top of DLO.

Yep it definitely depends on the scene. I have some images I've found where say, the corner of the shot from the 17-55 looks very soft due to the content of the image, but DLO makes a night/day diff. Some wher it makes almost no diff...I dont' have time to do much more on it right now but i'll try to post more later..

Okay, here's an image where the difference is HUGE lol...i've tried dozens of images, this one has the most impact. Imho because the focus wasn't at infinity...the 17-55 is great and imho the best crop standard zoom out there, but it still has some field curvature and such and sometimes you get corners that aren't perfect. In the center of the image the difference isnt' nearly as pronounced--the DLO on one just looks sharper. This crop is from the absolute top right corner. The top left corner was affected the same. The bottom ones were at a closer distance and weren't soft (I should have focused more carefully for optimum corner sharpness here).

The difference in this one is visible when the entire image is viewed at web size, trust me--it's huge, lol. No sharpening in either. CA correction on in the DLO off image to make it more fair. Note the perfectly resolved grass right at the very corner of the image--LOL! Also the perfectly removed purple fringing:

I think this example really shows that DLO is something different altogether than typical sharpening.

That last example is extraordinary. I'll be very interested to see what DLO can do with the corners of shots from the 17-40mm f/4L on a full-frame camera.

Yeah, it's doing something interesting at any rate, lol. It's definitely a useful feature. Like I said though it's not a super magic fix for everything and it isn't a substitute for higher resolution sensor or better glass for sure.

It definitely amplifies noise as well. This isn't an issue at low ISO but at high ISO, hrmmm, I'd say above 800 on the 60d, I wouldn't use it, though at 800 it's not bad really. I'm sure that high ISO use will be fine on the 5d3, probably night and day diff there.

I also wanted to see how it'd handle the noise from an iso 100 file where the shadows were pushed on my 60d. Works just fine (yay!). DLO was at 100%. Crop below is from a landscape shot I had, most of the rocks were pitch black before pushing. NR was defaults (1 luma, 2 chroma). No banding or anything comes out at all, but you do see a few chroma blotches get emphasized--no worries though. So it's still going to be usable on an under-exposed image.

However...and honestly I feel like a total tool for writing this, not trying to derail, sigh. I tried the same thing on one of the only 5d3 shots I could find that was taken with a supporting lens...the one with a lady standing with arms crossed w/green outfit on. I pushed it 2 stops and tried DLO at 100%. It was not pretty. Banding jumps out and it looks really, really, bad. And the area where it's visible wasn't even pitch black or anything before the push--it was much brighter than the rocks were in my example below. I'm sorry. I'm sure it was pre-production though, so i'm not goin to post it. Probably wont' be an issue in the real world. But just saying, it can definitely amplify/bring out the pattern noise...