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Mar 23, 2012 16:15 |  #1

Hello to all photog's, Happy TGIF!
Baseball tournament Sales..??
What system do you use for best results... Prints, Big screen TV, Web site, etc..
I have a big tournament coming up in June and trying to plan for the weekend..
32 teams for three days... thanks for the help and info.

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Mar 23, 2012 16:30 |  #2

Joe300 wrote in post #14141135 (external link)
What system do you use for best results... Prints, Big screen TV, etc.

One possible option, as used at an auto race.

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The vendor set up a tent. As each photographer returned their memory card full of photos to the tent, it was used to print contact sheets, which were labeled with the name of each race. The contact sheets had index numbers for each image, and customers used those numbers to order pictures, which were printed at the tent.

This is a standard event photo sales technique, which concentrates on instant gratification. It's most effective to make sales while the potential customers are at the event and most likely to make a purchase. It's much harder to sell prints after the customers have gone home.



  
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Mar 23, 2012 16:40 |  #3

Thank you,
I like that idea very cool, I might also print out just a good action shots in 5x7 and 8x10. like you said just to get the customer interested in buying on the spot.


Thanks for your idea,
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Mar 23, 2012 18:21 |  #4

What type of printer would you use onsite? Also, what would your prices be for your prints?
I am curious, the print on location may work for the youth regular season sports as well.


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Mar 23, 2012 18:50 |  #5

The bigest question is whats your budget? But there are many more, some which but not limited to... How much sales help you going to have? How many fields to cover? All games at same location? How many photogs? What level of tournment? Whats the age group?


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Mar 23, 2012 21:48 |  #6

Ok I am back,
Budget is in the RED, I am going into this without a contract, I have a good printer so that I can print out contact sheets, but maybe buying a new printer maybe 100-200.00 dollars.
age group 8 - 12 yr olds. , two fields, two photogs and one person working the photo booth / table sales, printing contacts, etc.. Hope to make $$$ after taxes...lol

That is why I am not sure about prints or just post all to my web site and display images with LCD screens or PC monitors.. running off of a laptop.

Or would it be best to have a runner sending prints to Wal-Mart / Target stores near by the field?
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Mar 24, 2012 14:26 |  #7

Do you have an exclusive contract on the event? If not, I wouldn't invest squat in it.




  
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Mar 24, 2012 22:57 |  #8

mobei wrote in post #14145825 (external link)
Do you have an exclusive contract on the event? If not, I wouldn't invest squat in it.

Yes, but nothing on paper, just verbal agreement.
I do a lot of the youth sports in my area, so the main guy running the tournament is a good friend and ask me if I want the job and can print or display photo while the games are being palyed..

I like the idea about the contact prints then post to my web site as well.
If I can get my wife and kids to help with sales.. we can all go to McDonald and super size our fries....:D

If nothing else I can shoot the games and post to my web site for sales..
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Mar 25, 2012 00:55 |  #9

Joe300 wrote in post #14141135 (external link)
32 teams for three days

Joe300 wrote in post #14148062 (external link)
I like the idea about the contact prints

32 teams, even in single elimination bracket will be 32 games. How many pictures do you take in a game? Let's say 300. That's 9600 pictures. Printing 9 thumbnails per sheet. That's 1066 sheets. That's a lot of ink, a lot of paper, and a lot of time for a printer to constantly print. If your printer averages 30 seconds per page, that's 533 minutes = 9 hours of non-stop printing.

And then you end up with 1000 pages for players and parents to have to sort through to find an unedited, unculled thumbnail picture? Have you seen a 2" thumbnail print?

Go to one of your baseball tournament pages on your website... http://joelaroccaphoto​graphy.com/p631509105 (external link) Can you identify the individual players? Can you see faces in the thumbnails? Can you read jersey numbers even if you managed to capture it in the picture? Now print a page of the thumbnails. Do the pictures look better? Are the players more identifiable? Would it inspire you to buy the picture?

How many pictures do you expect to sell?
How many more pictures do you expect to sell by having contacts sheets?
How many pictures do you need to sell in order to make money?
How many pictures do you need to sell in order to make it worth your time?

You might be better off pre-collecting $100 per team and giving each team a DVD with every picture from the games they play in. That's $3200.

Or $200 per team (only ~$20 per kid for the weekend) and give them a copy of the DVD for each kid.

No contact sheets, no print costs, no order forms, no unknowns about whether you're going to sell enough pictures to cover your time, insurance, business permit for onsite retail sales and tax, wear on equipment, spares, shutter replacement, printers, paper, shipping, extra assistants, etc.


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Mar 25, 2012 01:04 |  #10

Or sort them by game. $5/image, $20/all of one kid.

Print everything 4x6. If they refuse, then you trash the photos.


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Mar 25, 2012 15:44 |  #11

clarence wrote in post #14148388 (external link)
You might be better off pre-collecting $100 per team and giving each team a DVD with every picture from the games they play in. That's $3200.
Or $200 per team (only ~$20 per kid for the weekend) and give them a copy of the DVD for each kid.

Thanks for the good ideas, I like the up front pre-collecting.
I will have to talk to the Tournament MGR on this..

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Mar 30, 2012 15:52 |  #12

clarence wrote in post #14148388 (external link)
32 teams, even in single elimination bracket will be 32 games. How many pictures do you take in a game? Let's say 300. That's 9600 pictures. Printing 9 thumbnails per sheet. That's 1066 sheets. That's a lot of ink, a lot of paper, and a lot of time for a printer to constantly print. If your printer averages 30 seconds per page, that's 533 minutes = 9 hours of non-stop printing.

And then you end up with 1000 pages for players and parents to have to sort through to find an unedited, unculled thumbnail picture? Have you seen a 2" thumbnail print?

Go to one of your baseball tournament pages on your website... http://joelaroccaphoto​graphy.com/p631509105 (external link) Can you identify the individual players? Can you see faces in the thumbnails? Can you read jersey numbers even if you managed to capture it in the picture? Now print a page of the thumbnails. Do the pictures look better? Are the players more identifiable? Would it inspire you to buy the picture?

How many pictures do you expect to sell?
How many more pictures do you expect to sell by having contacts sheets?
How many pictures do you need to sell in order to make money?
How many pictures do you need to sell in order to make it worth your time?

You might be better off pre-collecting $100 per team and giving each team a DVD with every picture from the games they play in. That's $3200.

Or $200 per team (only ~$20 per kid for the weekend) and give them a copy of the DVD for each kid.

No contact sheets, no print costs, no order forms, no unknowns about whether you're going to sell enough pictures to cover your time, insurance, business permit for onsite retail sales and tax, wear on equipment, spares, shutter replacement, printers, paper, shipping, extra assistants, etc.

Great advice.


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Mar 30, 2012 15:55 |  #13

If you do the upfront photos, I would change your style a bit. With baseball it will probably be much easier to accomplish, but I would make sure to get one or two decent shots of each kid.


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Jul 06, 2012 17:47 as a reply to  @ facedodge's post |  #14

Hello I do baseball and softball tournament on a regular basis. Can be very profitable. I use a Sony die sub printer and print 5 x7 prints onsite and offer everything else online. I have 3 viewing stations and sell the prints for 10.00. If they don't buy onsite they are not going to your website. Only a hand full of sales from the web. Unless I am doing something wrong. If that is the case please someone help me. We shoot 3 tournaments a month and make about 8 to 12 k. We use 5 min photo as our software just amazing would not change that for anything.


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Jul 06, 2012 18:18 |  #15

you make 8,000 to 12,000 a month shooting baseball and softball?? ?? That is well beyond what I ever thought was possible...


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