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Apr 05, 2012 10:18 |  #46

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Not sure what you meant here, but the 5D3 does let you see what you are focusing and then once focus is locked, the whole viewfiender flashes red.

Nope. Not in AI Servo... which is quite possibly the main point or one of the key points of the much improved AF system, being able to track and shoot action (which the 5DC and 5DII aren't all that great at).

7D works the same way... and I'm sure the 1DX will too. Any camera with the active matrix, transmissive LCD "Intelligent Viewfinder" has to work this way.

All you see is the gray box or boxes of the active AF points. If you are using USM lenses, you can throw the lens out of focus manually and see it snap back. But often there isn't time for that with moving subjects. So you just have to learn to trust the camera and yourself. It takes some getting used to.

In One Shot, yes you do get the "red flash" and the green LED of focus confirmation once focus locks onto the stationary subject.

Other cameras with the "simpler" AF systems that display all the AF points all the time, in AI Servo the camera will light up the selected AF point red momentarily when focus starts, but also don't show "lock". (AI Servo never locks, it's continuously updating to track the moving target. In AI Servo the camera can't give Focus Confirmation... there's nothing to confirm.)

Actually, the AI Servo "flash" to show AF start at the selected point or points isn't needed in the transmissive LCD cameras, because you can set the cameras up to only show the active AF points. If you have a multipoint mode selected, only the ones the camera is using at the moment will display, and if the selected points change while tracking, you'll see the displayed points changing to reflect that.

It can be difficult in low light to see the active AF boxes in the 7D (and 5DIII, 1DX I'm sure) viewfinder. There is a "viewfinder illumination" setting available, that makes everything glow red. It's a bit obnoxious, so might not want to use it all the time.

As to the overall and original questions...

OP has $5000-6000 budget and is dead set on putting most of it into the camera body, no matter what. Realistically, in order to work weddings and portraits, I'd estimate between $12,000 and $15,000 would be needed to put together a minimal lens kit, pair of cameras and a minimal location lighting kit. This estimate is based upon switching from crop to FF with 5DIII. The range is the difference between getting one 5DII and backing it up with 60D, or instead getting two 5DIIs. Alternatively, a similar kit could be put together around two 60D (adding one) and using other items already on hand, for about $7000.

But, OP is determined to get the 5DIII come hell or high water, so it's all pretty much a moot point.


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Apr 05, 2012 14:13 |  #47

So in your opinion a 5diii with the 70-200 and the 60d with the 17-40 plus two wireless speed lights (2 580 available for borrow if 4 are needed) would not be good enough to capture a wedding? I had my mind made up too :(


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Apr 05, 2012 14:20 |  #48

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So in your opinion a 5diii with the 70-200 and the 60d with the 17-40 plus two wireless speed lights (2 580 available for borrow if 4 are needed) would not be good enough to capture a wedding? I had my mind made up too :(

Thats plenty of camera and glass to shoot an awesome wedding... many have done it with less with spectacular results.


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Apr 05, 2012 19:11 |  #49

CptTripps wrote in post #14215535 (external link)
So in your opinion a 5diii with the 70-200 and the 60d with the 17-40 plus two wireless speed lights (2 580 available for borrow if 4 are needed) would not be good enough to capture a wedding? I had my mind made up too :(

You are better off buying a 5D3 kit with the 24-105mm if you are going a 2 camera setup with the 5D3 and 60D. I'd keep your current nifty fifty too. You are not going to get much out of it and it has worked well for many 5D2 users in the past.


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Apr 05, 2012 19:52 |  #50

if you plan on shooting concerts and only have a 70-200, that's gonna be a handicap at a fair amount of venues (unless you are just shooting large stage events, and it sounds like that's probably not the case).


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Apr 05, 2012 20:57 |  #51

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if you plan on shooting concerts and only have a 70-200, that's gonna be a handicap at a fair amount of venues (unless you are just shooting large stage events, and it sounds like that's probably not the case).

Both types actually. Larger type events from backstage, one of the promoters in town brings up mainly metal acts, we ae old friends and she likes my pics and I love metal. I do this for free tickets/access/booze though so it is not a major concern as it really doesn't "pay". I also get a set amount to attend 3 events a month at a certain small club, decent sized venue with an upstairs balcony overlooking the dance floor/stage. I can shoot up front with the 30 and the 85L worked well from the balcony. For patron shots the 50/30 work fine. Not a huge amount of money, but it's not too demanding and I have fun.


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Apr 06, 2012 06:13 |  #52

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OK, that explains the 5Diii and 70-200 2.8 IS L II lust... They're both great items, don't get me wrong. But they're also VERY expensive items. I'd start smaller if you can, and with the budget you have you can get some great lenses now, then once you learn EXACTLY how they're holding you back, upgrade them specifically to suit the talk.

If you want/need a body upgrade now, consider the 7D. Close to $1k and the best cropper available. A 1Diii would also be a consideration IMHO. From there, lenses. Consider a tamron 70-300 VC. Amazing lens, $400. Then get some of those primes. A fast aperture will teach you more about photography than anything else. I'd also get a 17-55 for your 60D as your mid range zoom. Consider a 10-22 as well. The thing is lenses actually appreciate if you buy them in good condition used. So tie up your ~$5k now in good used glass, sell it to upgrade in the future. Just DON'T buy new if you can help it. New canon lenses will lose ~20% in the first few years, you have to wait out a price hike to get that back. But it smartly used you can at least resell it at no loss in weeks or months. I do this all the time. This way you can try the lenses you want and take baby steps towards you goal w/o putting all your money into one or two items.

But hey, if 70-200 (on FF) is the only FL you really want, the 5Diii and the new 70-200 IS is a wicked combo...

I disagree with the "start small" philosophy to someone who isn't a complete novice. The OP clearly knows the 60D he has use of and it's limitations and clearly knows what the 5D III will give him. Also as you state, the 70-200 II coupled with the 5D III i can only imagine would make an amazing duo - he's already sure about what he wants to shoot so what's the harm in thinking differently, I.e. obtain this amazing duo as an extremely versatile base/foundation and then figure out what is required to compliment "his" style as time passes. He's already mentioned that he has access to his friends lenses so that is a great way to figure it out. What that gives the OP right now, and provided a person knows how to take photographs, is amazing images right from the start (disclaimer: amazing images can be made with standard equipment but in the same right hands I believe that better images will come from better equipment), in order to produce a great portfolio upon which to obtain further business - to me that's enterprising thinking.


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Apr 06, 2012 07:07 as a reply to  @ post 14206947 |  #53

Why not do this -

5D Mark III Kit - I just purchased one and love the 24-105L so much I'm going to sell my 24-70L. I shoot mainly weddings btw. With the new high ISO capabilities of the 5D mark III you can use F/4 the same way you use to use F/2.8 with the mark II.

85 1.8 - Great lens for the money and low light if you need.
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50 1.4 - Same as the 85 1.8

135L - will not be as versatile as the 70-200L IS II but would serve your purposes. Could also go for the 70-200L IS version 1.

580EX II - no need for the einstein for what you shoot. Build up a portable speedlite collection and it will serve 90% of your needs.

All of that will run you about $5800 if you buy the lenses and flashes used on here.

The 5D mark III was worth every penny of an upgrade for me (being a wedding shooter). I don't want or need more MP's. AF is light years beyond the mark II, high ISO is just awesome, dual cards are a huge upgrade, and the quite shutter is really quite.

If you ever plan on seriously getting into wedding shooting you will eventually upgrade, concerts it would also be a big upgrade. Portraits, well portraits the mark II is everything you could need, won't see the added benefits from the mark III.


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Apr 06, 2012 07:54 |  #54

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Why not do this -

5D Mark III Kit - I just purchased one and love the 24-105L so much I'm going to sell my 24-70L. I shoot mainly weddings btw. With the new high ISO capabilities of the 5D mark III you can use F/4 the same way you use to use F/2.8 with the mark II.

85 1.8 - Great lens for the money and low light if you need.
or
50 1.4 - Same as the 85 1.8

135L - will not be as versatile as the 70-200L IS II but would serve your purposes. Could also go for the 70-200L IS version 1.

580EX II - no need for the einstein for what you shoot. Build up a portable speedlite collection and it will serve 90% of your needs.

All of that will run you about $5800 if you buy the lenses and flashes used on here.

The 5D mark III was worth every penny of an upgrade for me (being a wedding shooter). I don't want or need more MP's. AF is light years beyond the mark II, high ISO is just awesome, dual cards are a huge upgrade, and the quite shutter is really quite.

If you ever plan on seriously getting into wedding shooting you will eventually upgrade, concerts it would also be a big upgrade. Portraits, well portraits the mark II is everything you could need, won't see the added benefits from the mark III.

Thank you for your input all around, very usefull to me. What i care about at this point are the jobs that actually pay, weddings and portraits for me (although i was approached by a realtor). The Einstein is purely a "want" item, I would simply like to use modifiers at more than three feet for daylight portrait shoots ;)

I do have speed lights plus a pair of v5 triggers and have used them enough to feel comfy. I snagged two used flex tt5 off Craig's today for a good deal so they will be going away soon, Yay!


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