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Jan 01, 2014 15:31 |  #2191

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This has been my experience, as well. However, I find myself avoiding certain types of photographs - certain threads here - when I'm going to be shooting similar subject matter. I feel like it can stifle creativity. Looking at dozens of photographs on POTN does not have the same effect as visiting an art gallery, or perusing the work of Adams or Bresson.

There is no one right way to do this. Only whats right for each individual.

I tend to shoot what I see no matter what. Hopefully my vision will help me with the correct decisions when shooting and then it will also help me when I choose ultimately what to leave in and what to leave out.

My work is usually about repeating shapes, leading lines, negative space, shape, texture and other visual elements more so than subject matter and hopefully all my years of living have helped these things become second nature so my thinking comes before and after but never during the act of shooting.

I get most of my influence from the masters and from other art forms like painting and motion pictures and well as not so obvious places like literature and music.




  
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Jan 03, 2014 04:32 |  #2193

Thanks Allen and Mike :-)


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Jan 04, 2014 04:01 |  #2194

Happy New Year everyone! Hope the holidays were good to you all, I've enjoyed some time off.

Matt M. wrote in post #16569356 (external link)
This has been my experience, as well. However, I find myself avoiding certain types of photographs - certain threads here - when I'm going to be shooting similar subject matter. I feel like it can stifle creativity. Looking at dozens of photographs on POTN does not have the same effect as visiting an art gallery, or perusing the work of Adams or Bresson.

I found this interesting as when I'm visiting new places, I now try to avoid seeing too many photographs of the place and its points of interest so as not to ingrain the postcard vision of it (reproduced ad infinitum) before even visiting. I find that this affects my enjoyment of the place negatively as both a tourist and a photographer/camera carrier.

I read some articles about the idea of Photography Tourism when I was at University and the idea of people (photographers mainly) being attracted to certain cities or areas not just to photograph them, but to get their own version of 'the shot' from that particular area or city.

These articles made me think about the experience you get of a place when you're chasing down an image you already had of it, whether it's the postcard image or the Ansel Adams Half Moon (is it the Half Moon - or is that the name of a local pub? I feel like I only remember half of any pertinent information). There's a wider theme within tourism itself of the place not being the sum of its famous monuments but the streets, cafes, bars, etc in between and if you miss these and skip from Cathedral to Skyscraper to Park, then you miss a lot, but it's true also of Photography - if you're going around looking for shots you've already seen, you're missing plenty of new ones.

As Allen says though, looking at similar material isn't necessarily a bad thing. Back in my own Photographic dark ages, photographing Motorsport as I once did, I used to watch the Steve McQueen film 'Le Mans' the night before any day shooting. I wasn't going to be photographing at 1970s era La Sarthe, but the cinematography was superb and captured so much of that event at that time, it was always an inspiration.

Nowadays, as a Theatre Photographer, I take the opportunity, where possible, to watch the performance before photographing it - or at least some form of video clip - because this prepares me better to try and capture something that may be very hard to anticipate and very fleeting. The content of the piece may thus not be new to me, but the photograph will still be an original capture, as I'm selecting a moment from within a continuum as any other.

However, I try not to look at existing photographs of a given piece, and try to avoid comparing my abilities with others doing similar work to myself as I'm confident of my own ability and don't feel the need to make a contest of it in my own mind. I'm happy to see others work when I find it, particularly interesting projects and ideas pieces - of which I have a book or two that I find quite useful such as a Dressing Rooms book by Sergio Parra which I often look at during Rehearsals projects. The work isn't the same but the standard is very high and helps influence and inspire.

Off away for another couple of days now, Spanish Christmas time ... bye!


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Jan 04, 2014 06:59 |  #2195

Great post Qwain. Happy New Year...

I usually study other work not to shoot the same subjects, same places or the same way but seeing how they put their images together. How they are using the language. What's working and what's not working. Any time I start getting in a rut some time at the Art Institute usually pulls me out and it's usually about that high standard you are referring to. Both technically and visually.

Ralph Gibson just came out with a new book and he has shot it entirely digital. He's always been one of my favs. He dedicated the book to his good friend Lou Reed. I never thought that I'd see the day Ralph Gibson used a digital camera. He shot the entire book with a Leica M Monochrom.
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Jan 04, 2014 09:48 as a reply to  @ airfrogusmc's post |  #2196

4 images I thought worked together well and in this sequence. What do you all think?
Just throwing it out there. Not married to anything.

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Jan 04, 2014 10:59 |  #2197

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4 images I thought worked together well and in this sequence. What do you all think?

#s 1, 2, 3 make me think that wherever you go, stripes and zigzags magically appear. #4, I don't see how this one fits the theme.


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Jan 04, 2014 11:49 |  #2198

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#s 1, 2, 3 make me think that wherever you go, stripes and zigzags magically appear. #4, I don't see how this one fits the theme.

:lol: I was think'n that the trapezoidal pattern on the side walk and the stride tied it in with the others? :confused::D




  
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Jan 04, 2014 12:06 |  #2199

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:lol: I was think'n that the trapezoidal pattern on the side walk and the stride tied it in with the others? :confused::D

I thought about that, and I just didn't find the pavement pattern prominent enough. It isn't stripey. The first three have trapezoids, sure enough, but in the third they're almost parallelograms, and in all three the trapezoids are intersected by strong, dark lines that are heavier than the trapezoid borders. These strong lines are oblique; in #4 they're just verticals.

The other element, the inverted-V shape of a person in profile walking, is so often seen, and so common in street photography, that it tends to drop out perceptually, like the word "said" in written dialogue.

But, as the Pope says, who am I to judge?


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Jan 04, 2014 12:11 |  #2200

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I thought about that, and I just didn't find the pavement pattern prominent enough. It isn't stripey. The first three have trapezoids, sure enough, but in the third they're almost parallelograms, and in all three the trapezoids are intersected by strong, dark lines that are heavier than the trapezoid borders. These strong lines are oblique; in #4 they're just verticals.

The other element, the inverted-V shape of a person in profile walking, is so often seen, and so common in street photography, that it tends to drop out perceptually, like the word "said" in written dialogue.

But, as the Pope says, who am I to judge?

hey I asked ;):D thats why I posted them.... Points taken. Thanks!!!!!




  
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Jan 04, 2014 15:22 |  #2201

Well, regardless of stripes and zigzags and other pavement features, I think #4 ties in beautifully in that like in #1 and #3 a heel is about to touch the ground. There is purpose and progress in that stride. #2 for me is the odd one out visually, but it creates a tension that helps tie the others together. I probably would have left it out, and weakened the total impression in doing so.

I look forward to following the previous conversations and links in this thread, having been away out of "civilisation" as we know it for the last week or so.


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Jan 04, 2014 15:33 |  #2202

Thanks Ricardo and good to have ya back I wish I could unplug for a week.

Thanks to you both for the comments always appreciated. I tend to think in bodies of work and series and sometimes they work really well and sometimes not so well. It's always god to hear what others have to say. When it's your work you are sometimes to close to it.




  
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My title for that piece is "The Lonely Fisherman", if I deleted the fisherman, what would I call it? :lol:


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Jan 04, 2014 19:01 |  #2204

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My title for that piece is "The Lonely Fisherman", if I deleted the fisherman, what would I call it? :lol:

"Lucky Fish"


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