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Apr 05, 2012 11:58 |  #16

>i thought mike311's crayon analogy sounded logical, now i'm confused again.

Go with mike311's analogy...it's very good!

Adobe RGB has a larger color gamut with more greens, blues and purples... than plain old sRGB.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:00 |  #17

Johnny V wrote in post #14214863 (external link)
>i thought mike311's crayon analogy sounded logical, now i'm confused again.

Go with mike311's analogy...it's very good!

Adobe RGB has a larger color gamut with more greens, blues and purples... than plain old sRGB.

Its not larger. Its wider. The gamuts are actually the same size.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:09 |  #18

The adobeRGB box of crayons would actually be the same size as the sRGB box of crayons - it just has more colors so to speak, while sRGB has more 'in between' colors. Which means that gradients in sRGB will actually be smoother and more pleasing

The analogy works better if you say the boxes are different sizes, Adobe RGB bigger and sRGB smaller, but the number of crayons is the same. In the small box the crayons fit tightly, one jammed against another. In the bigger box the crayons rattle a bit, which is not good, but you do get some brighter colors. Instead of plain sky blue you get "electric blue" and instead of lawn green you get "neon green". If you have the display medium (printer or monitor) that can reproduce the saturated tones you may want to preserve and utilize them, but if you lack the means you are better with sRGB.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:11 |  #19

>The gamuts are actually the same size.

Don't think so...

sRGB colors are within the green triangle. Adobe RGB colors are within the purple/red triangle.

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Apr 05, 2012 12:14 |  #20

tzalman wrote in post #14214913 (external link)
The analogy works better if you say the boxes are different sizes, Adobe RGB bigger and sRGB smaller, but the number of crayons is the same. In the small box the crayons fit tightly, one jammed against another. In the bigger box the crayons rattle a bit, which is not good, but you do get some brighter colors. Instead of plain sky blue you get "electric blue" and instead of lawn green you get "neon green". If you have the display medium (printer or monitor) that can reproduce the saturated tones you may want to preserve and utilize them, but if you lack the means you are better with sRGB.

Fair enough that works too.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:22 |  #21

Johnny V wrote in post #14214922 (external link)
>The gamuts are actually the same size.

Don't think so...

sRGB colors are within the green triangle. Adobe RGB colors are within the purple/red triangle.


I must not be able to explain it but the below quote lays it out pretty simple. If you cant understand it then you just cant understand it.

The thing that differentiates the two from each other is that Adobe RGB has a wider gamut than sRGB. It means it covers a larger area (see image to the right). But what seems to be a common misunderstanding, is that Adobe RGB has more colors. Fact is that both color spaces have the excact same amount of colors. But because Adobe RGB is spread over a larger area, and has the same amount of colors, it has to compensate by having more space between the colors.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:28 |  #22

Someone doesn't understand something and it's not me.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:43 |  #23

Johnny V wrote in post #14215017 (external link)
Someone doesn't understand something and it's not me.

Cool story bro.


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Apr 05, 2012 13:34 as a reply to  @ jthomps123's post |  #24

Did we answer the OP's question?

In addition to the traditional uses of color profiles, they are also useful catalysts for getting colorful discussions going on Internet forums.


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Apr 05, 2012 13:36 |  #25

Bill Boehme wrote in post #14215351 (external link)
Did we answer the OP's question?

In addition to the traditional uses of color profiles, they are also useful catalysts for getting colorful discussions going on Internet forums.

:lol: I think so! I'll have to go through and read the links you all posted as well. Thank you for all this information! I liked the crayon box analogy :)


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Apr 05, 2012 18:19 |  #26

Really the simplest answer is just use sRGB. Its the standard colorspace accepted by more major locations worldwide...

If you ever need to print for galleries or books etc.. you can always go back to the raw and reconvert in aRGB.

And PS... Johnny V is wrong... lol


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Apr 05, 2012 18:59 |  #27

Anyway time to take the high road.... Christina isn't shooting raw... she's shooting jpeg... shoot using Adobe RGB you can always save a sRGB when needed.


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Apr 05, 2012 19:12 |  #28

I dont recall saying i shoot jpeg lol, I shoot RAW only :lol: but yes, now i have a much better understanding about what the color spaces are used for. Thanks everyone for your help! :)


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Apr 05, 2012 19:13 as a reply to  @ Johnny V's post |  #29

I have a college degree in photography, was PPA Certified while a pro, and I only shot sRGB. Only the rarest of printers can even come close to reproducing sRGB (hexachrome). Look at the sRGB gamut projection, then see where a monitor projection fits and a printer projection fits. None of those devices can fully reproduce the sRGB colorspace.

Neither your computer monitor can show all the colors of sRGB, and most certainly most inkjet and chemical printers can't. So shoot all day in anything else other than sRGB if it makes you feel like a pro, but no device you're likely going to display or print with will ever faithfully produce even a substantial fraction of sRGB.


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Apr 05, 2012 20:06 |  #30

Christina.DazzleByDesi​gn wrote in post #14216897 (external link)
I dont recall saying i shoot jpeg lol, I shoot RAW only :lol: but yes, now i have a much better understanding about what the color spaces are used for. Thanks everyone for your help! :)

You asked about sRGB and aRGB settings on your camera... The answer then is ... the colorspace setting doesn't matter if shooting raw as most software ignores the settings, Adobe apps for one ignore the camera colorspace settings when using RAW files.

>Only the rarest of printers can even come close to reproducing sRGB

Any modern day inkjet printer can produce/print colors larger than the sRGB colorspace... Take a look that the attached image... the Epson 2200 printer is a 10 year old printer that can produce/print colors outside of sRGB on matt paper.

The below color plots clearly shows the sRGB colorspace doesn't even cover images printed on the lowly 2200 Matt Paper...you'll need to move up to Adobe at least and even that colorspace gets clipped.

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