>i thought mike311's crayon analogy sounded logical, now i'm confused again.
Go with mike311's analogy...it's very good!
Adobe RGB has a larger color gamut with more greens, blues and purples... than plain old sRGB.
JohnnyV Goldmember 2,290 posts Likes: 6 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Jersey Shore More info | Apr 05, 2012 11:58 | #16 >i thought mike311's crayon analogy sounded logical, now i'm confused again. Fear the Gear! Canon 5D3/6D/50D/T2i/EOS-M; 17-40L f4; 70-200 f4; 50 f1.4; 18-55 f3.5 IS; Sigma 85 f1.4; Tamron 85 f1.8; Canon 35 f2-IS; 580EX; Comet Strobes; Smugmug 20% Discount
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jthomps123 Senior Member 476 posts Likes: 1 Joined May 2008 More info | Apr 05, 2012 12:00 | #17 Johnny V wrote in post #14214863 >i thought mike311's crayon analogy sounded logical, now i'm confused again. Go with mike311's analogy...it's very good! Adobe RGB has a larger color gamut with more greens, blues and purples... than plain old sRGB. Its not larger. Its wider. The gamuts are actually the same size. 1Ds Mk 2 / 5D Mk 3 | 17-40L | 24-105L | 35L | 50/1.4 | 85/1.8 | 100L | 70-200L Mk 2 | 580 EXII x 2
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tzalman Fatal attraction. 13,497 posts Likes: 213 Joined Apr 2005 Location: Gesher Haziv, Israel More info | Apr 05, 2012 12:09 | #18 The adobeRGB box of crayons would actually be the same size as the sRGB box of crayons - it just has more colors so to speak, while sRGB has more 'in between' colors. Which means that gradients in sRGB will actually be smoother and more pleasing The analogy works better if you say the boxes are different sizes, Adobe RGB bigger and sRGB smaller, but the number of crayons is the same. In the small box the crayons fit tightly, one jammed against another. In the bigger box the crayons rattle a bit, which is not good, but you do get some brighter colors. Instead of plain sky blue you get "electric blue" and instead of lawn green you get "neon green". If you have the display medium (printer or monitor) that can reproduce the saturated tones you may want to preserve and utilize them, but if you lack the means you are better with sRGB. Elie / אלי
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JohnnyV Goldmember 2,290 posts Likes: 6 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Jersey Shore More info | Apr 05, 2012 12:11 | #19 >The gamuts are actually the same size. Image hosted by forum (589170) © Johnny V [SHARE LINK] THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff. Fear the Gear! Canon 5D3/6D/50D/T2i/EOS-M; 17-40L f4; 70-200 f4; 50 f1.4; 18-55 f3.5 IS; Sigma 85 f1.4; Tamron 85 f1.8; Canon 35 f2-IS; 580EX; Comet Strobes; Smugmug 20% Discount
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jthomps123 Senior Member 476 posts Likes: 1 Joined May 2008 More info | Apr 05, 2012 12:14 | #20 tzalman wrote in post #14214913 The analogy works better if you say the boxes are different sizes, Adobe RGB bigger and sRGB smaller, but the number of crayons is the same. In the small box the crayons fit tightly, one jammed against another. In the bigger box the crayons rattle a bit, which is not good, but you do get some brighter colors. Instead of plain sky blue you get "electric blue" and instead of lawn green you get "neon green". If you have the display medium (printer or monitor) that can reproduce the saturated tones you may want to preserve and utilize them, but if you lack the means you are better with sRGB. Fair enough that works too. 1Ds Mk 2 / 5D Mk 3 | 17-40L | 24-105L | 35L | 50/1.4 | 85/1.8 | 100L | 70-200L Mk 2 | 580 EXII x 2
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jthomps123 Senior Member 476 posts Likes: 1 Joined May 2008 More info | Apr 05, 2012 12:22 | #21 Johnny V wrote in post #14214922 >The gamuts are actually the same size. Don't think so... sRGB colors are within the green triangle. Adobe RGB colors are within the purple/red triangle.
The thing that differentiates the two from each other is that Adobe RGB has a wider gamut than sRGB. It means it covers a larger area (see image to the right). But what seems to be a common misunderstanding, is that Adobe RGB has more colors. Fact is that both color spaces have the excact same amount of colors. But because Adobe RGB is spread over a larger area, and has the same amount of colors, it has to compensate by having more space between the colors. 1Ds Mk 2 / 5D Mk 3 | 17-40L | 24-105L | 35L | 50/1.4 | 85/1.8 | 100L | 70-200L Mk 2 | 580 EXII x 2
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JohnnyV Goldmember 2,290 posts Likes: 6 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Jersey Shore More info | Apr 05, 2012 12:28 | #22 Someone doesn't understand something and it's not me. Fear the Gear! Canon 5D3/6D/50D/T2i/EOS-M; 17-40L f4; 70-200 f4; 50 f1.4; 18-55 f3.5 IS; Sigma 85 f1.4; Tamron 85 f1.8; Canon 35 f2-IS; 580EX; Comet Strobes; Smugmug 20% Discount
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jthomps123 Senior Member 476 posts Likes: 1 Joined May 2008 More info | Apr 05, 2012 12:43 | #23 Johnny V wrote in post #14215017 Someone doesn't understand something and it's not me. Cool story bro. 1Ds Mk 2 / 5D Mk 3 | 17-40L | 24-105L | 35L | 50/1.4 | 85/1.8 | 100L | 70-200L Mk 2 | 580 EXII x 2
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Apr 05, 2012 13:36 | #25 Bill Boehme wrote in post #14215351 Did we answer the OP's question? In addition to the traditional uses of color profiles, they are also useful catalysts for getting colorful discussions going on Internet forums.
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jthomps123 Senior Member 476 posts Likes: 1 Joined May 2008 More info | Apr 05, 2012 18:19 | #26 Really the simplest answer is just use sRGB. Its the standard colorspace accepted by more major locations worldwide... 1Ds Mk 2 / 5D Mk 3 | 17-40L | 24-105L | 35L | 50/1.4 | 85/1.8 | 100L | 70-200L Mk 2 | 580 EXII x 2
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JohnnyV Goldmember 2,290 posts Likes: 6 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Jersey Shore More info | Apr 05, 2012 18:59 | #27 Anyway time to take the high road.... Christina isn't shooting raw... she's shooting jpeg... shoot using Adobe RGB you can always save a sRGB when needed. Fear the Gear! Canon 5D3/6D/50D/T2i/EOS-M; 17-40L f4; 70-200 f4; 50 f1.4; 18-55 f3.5 IS; Sigma 85 f1.4; Tamron 85 f1.8; Canon 35 f2-IS; 580EX; Comet Strobes; Smugmug 20% Discount
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Apr 05, 2012 19:12 | #28 I dont recall saying i shoot jpeg lol, I shoot RAW only 5D3 | 7D | 85L II | 70-300L | 24-105L | Nifty Fifty | 600EX-RT_______________
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Panoz Member 195 posts Joined Feb 2012 More info | I have a college degree in photography, was PPA Certified while a pro, and I only shot sRGB. Only the rarest of printers can even come close to reproducing sRGB (hexachrome). Look at the sRGB gamut projection, then see where a monitor projection fits and a printer projection fits. None of those devices can fully reproduce the sRGB colorspace. Canon G12, Canon 5D MkII, Canon 24-105 L, Sigma 16mm fisheye
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JohnnyV Goldmember 2,290 posts Likes: 6 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Jersey Shore More info | Apr 05, 2012 20:06 | #30 Christina.DazzleByDesign wrote in post #14216897 I dont recall saying i shoot jpeg lol, I shoot RAW only but yes, now i have a much better understanding about what the color spaces are used for. Thanks everyone for your help! ![]() You asked about sRGB and aRGB settings on your camera... The answer then is ... the colorspace setting doesn't matter if shooting raw as most software ignores the settings, Adobe apps for one ignore the camera colorspace settings when using RAW files. Image hosted by forum (589232) © Johnny V [SHARE LINK] THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff. Fear the Gear! Canon 5D3/6D/50D/T2i/EOS-M; 17-40L f4; 70-200 f4; 50 f1.4; 18-55 f3.5 IS; Sigma 85 f1.4; Tamron 85 f1.8; Canon 35 f2-IS; 580EX; Comet Strobes; Smugmug 20% Discount
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