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5D MKIII for Wildlife and Birds?

 
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Apr 13, 2012 05:22 |  #16

I won't buy another 5D .... the 5D2 sort of soured me on the line.

I'd go for the 1D Mk IV or the 1Dx




  
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Apr 13, 2012 05:27 |  #17

ruhikant wrote in post #14241250 (external link)
Yes, 5dIII loses the reach but reach is not everything either.


Reach is extremely important when shooting birds in flight.

If you cannot REACH into your pockets deep enough to buy a Canon EF 600mm or 800mm lens, your camera better have a little more REACH for you. LOL

I do a lot of Eagles in flight, and unless you are right on top of a feeding ground, 400mm on a FF body just isn't enough.

I guess it would be OK for those looking for random snapshots and such.

I like the 7D with the Canon EF 100-400mm L lens, or a FF body with the Canon EF 600mm lens.

I don't have enough REACH in my pockets for the Canon EF 800mm

BUT .... for shooting smaller birds around the bird feeders in the backyard, I guess it does not matter much.




  
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Apr 13, 2012 08:05 |  #18

The 5DIII's AF looks to be up to the task of capturing fast moving wildlife. Big improvement over the 5DII or 5DC.

But it's still "just" a full frame camera. FF is great for many things.... And might be fine when the critters cooperate and come close... and will certainly give you great image qualities! But when the the furry & feathered friends aren't are very accomodating, it would also help a lot to have some monster lenses to use on that FF camera. Art Morris is shooting with a $14,000 US 800mm f5.6L IS lens handheld, at the link above.

I would not want FF to be my only choice and will keep using 1.6X crop cameras alongside full frame. An 18MP cropper "puts more pixels on target", allows my 500/4 to give me the same angle of view as Art's 800mm (and is a full stop faster), and makes it practical to handhold or hike with a 300/4 all day long, rather than get out the 500mm along with a tripod.

Sure, the "free teleconverter" effect of crop cameras is only a half-truth. FF is nicer in some respects, so I'll use it whenever I can or when I'm lucky. But I'll also keep using crop when that format works better for me.


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Apr 13, 2012 08:07 |  #19

ruhikant wrote in post #14241250 (external link)
The AF locking and tracking ability is on par maybe a bit better than 1D4 that I am currently own. Yes, 5dIII loses the reach but reach is not everything either. 5D III will allow you to shoot in poor lighting conditions(cloudy, early morning, dawn etc) since the file quality is real nice at higher ISO settings.
You can buy a used 1D4 for about the price of 5DIII, so it is your call. For my type of shooting, I prefer walking with my gear ready for any sudden action, so I prefer lighter body.

All with 5D III + ef400/5.6L

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Hah! Looks like you got too close to someone's nest!

Nice shots!


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Apr 13, 2012 08:48 |  #20

ruhikant wrote in post #14241250 (external link)
The AF locking and tracking ability is on par maybe a bit better than 1D4 that I am currently own. Yes, 5dIII loses the reach but reach is not everything either. 5D III will allow you to shoot in poor lighting conditions(cloudy, early morning, dawn etc) since the file quality is real nice at higher ISO settings.
You can buy a used 1D4 for about the price of 5DIII, so it is your call. For my type of shooting, I prefer walking with my gear ready for any sudden action, so I prefer lighter body.

All with 5D III + ef400/5.6L

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Very very nice shots. I am getting tempted by the AF on this body.


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Apr 13, 2012 08:52 |  #21

harcosparky wrote in post #14258146 (external link)
Reach is extremely important when shooting birds in flight.

If you cannot REACH into your pockets deep enough to buy a Canon EF 600mm or 800mm lens, your camera better have a little more REACH for you. LOL

I do a lot of Eagles in flight, and unless you are right on top of a feeding ground, 400mm on a FF body just isn't enough.

I guess it would be OK for those looking for random snapshots and such.

I like the 7D with the Canon EF 100-400mm L lens, or a FF body with the Canon EF 600mm lens.

I don't have enough REACH in my pockets for the Canon EF 800mm


BUT .... for shooting smaller birds around the bird feeders in the backyard, I guess it does not matter much.

I don't know. I used to shoot 1.6x crop and then moved to 1.3x crop 1 series. The pictures were so much better even when shot in good light and no moving action involved. Maybe due to bigger pixels, I don't know. In the end glass matter lot more for birding shots. I will take old beatup 1dmk2 with 500mm f4 then say 7d or 5dmkxx with something like 100-400L though.


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Apr 13, 2012 09:40 |  #22

harcosparky wrote in post #14258146 (external link)
Reach is extremely important when shooting birds in flight.

If you cannot REACH into your pockets deep enough to buy a Canon EF 600mm or 800mm lens, your camera better have a little more REACH for you. LOL

I do a lot of Eagles in flight, and unless you are right on top of a feeding ground, 400mm on a FF body just isn't enough.

I guess it would be OK for those looking for random snapshots and such.

I like the 7D with the Canon EF 100-400mm L lens, or a FF body with the Canon EF 600mm lens.

I don't have enough REACH in my pockets for the Canon EF 800mm

BUT .... for shooting smaller birds around the bird feeders in the backyard, I guess it does not matter much.

I agree most part but in addition to a good glass, a camera with great AF and clean high ISO capability will give you more shooting opportunities in difficult lighting condition such as sunrise, sunset, very cloudy etc.


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Apr 13, 2012 11:10 |  #23

Jermainek wrote in post #14258089 (external link)
...(500 f4 II is currently £8,489, the 600 f4 II is £10,999 and the 300mm f2.8 II will cost you £6,000 with a 1.4x III - can't be 2x as no f8 autofocus).... :)

Just had to point out one little error here lest it confuse others. You can use a 2xTC with the 300mm f/2.8, as that brings you to 600mm f/5.6. f/8 would be with a 1.4x+2x for a total of 840mm of reach.


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Apr 13, 2012 12:08 |  #24

Neilyb wrote in post #14258130 (external link)
I am wondering the same thing. But if I buy a used 1DIV now I can sell it in a few months for hardly any loss. Then buy a 5DIII at a lower price than currently. So I am looking for a used 1DIV at the moment. Besides which, no-one in Germnay has the 5D body only.

If you get the 1D, why downgrade?


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Apr 13, 2012 12:21 as a reply to  @ post 14258130 |  #25

I work with two camera bodies....a 7d and a 5dMKII
The second one is perfect when you shoot animals in their environment with wide angle lenses.
The 7d though is my workhorse....90% of my wildlife images are captured with this camera.
The crop factor and the 18MP sensor give tremendous reach, even when the subject is far, far away!


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Apr 13, 2012 16:59 |  #26

arentol wrote in post #14259472 (external link)
Just had to point out one little error here lest it confuse others. You can use a 2xTC with the 300mm f/2.8, as that brings you to 600mm f/5.6. f/8 would be with a 1.4x+2x for a total of 840mm of reach.

Quite right arentol, quite right! Let me amend.


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Apr 13, 2012 20:48 |  #27

The 1D4 is the best birding camera IMO. If you crop a 5d3 to the same FOV of the 1d4 you will end up with a 13mp image I believe. The difference is when you have to crop a 1d4 image significantly is when it separates itself from the full frame equivalents. Interestingly enough I found I can crop more with the 1d4 than I could with the 7d.


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Apr 13, 2012 21:57 |  #28

if you are strictly shooting wildlife, stick w/ the 1d iv.


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Apr 20, 2012 13:31 |  #29

Thanks everyone. I would imagine if I went with the 1DIV, it would more than hold its own with landscape and scenery photos also?


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Apr 20, 2012 16:03 |  #30

J.Litton wrote in post #14299303 (external link)
Thanks everyone. I would imagine if I went with the 1DIV, it would more than hold its own with landscape and scenery photos also?

sure, I imagine the Canon 1Dmk IV should hold its own (for $5,000 !
the 5D3 is starting to look like a bargain




  
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