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Apr 11, 2012 15:32 |  #1

I mean really.

Are people just overly concerned about shutter actuations? What does knowing how many clicks a camera body has on it really mean? Is it just an illusion of security? Shutters can die just as suddenly at 5,000 clicks as it might at 50,000.

My camera's gone through its paces, but I don't know the shutter count. It's probably around 15,000 by now and I think it's a lot of hard work to snap that many photos. To kill a shutter in a year, based on what the shutter is rated, I'd have to shoot almost 3,000 photos a week or more than 400 a day. I'm not a professional, so that's probably why. I have shot a couple of 8 hour political events and walked away with +3,000 photos, but that was when I was trigger happy and it is an event that happens once a year. I don't shoot like that anymore and, at weedings, I don't snap that many shots.

I think this is a fairly complete list of expected shutter cycles for the recent Canon bodies:

Canon EOS 1Dx - 400,000
Canon EOS 1D Mark III - 300,000
Canon EOS 1D Mark II N - 200,000
Canon EOS 1DS Mark III - 300,000
Canon EOS 1DS Mark II - 200,000
Canon EOS 5D Mark III - 150,000
Canon EOS 5D Mark II - 150,000
Canon EOS 5D - 100,000
Canon EOS 7D - 150,000
Canon EOS 60D - 100,000
Canon EOS 50D - 100,000
Canon EOS 40D - 100,000
Canon EOS 30D - 100,000
Canon EOS 20D - 50,000
Canon EOS Digital Rebel T3i / 600D - 100,000
Canon EOS Digital Rebel T2i / 550D - 100,000
Canon EOS Digital Rebel T1i / 500D - 100,000
Canon EOS Digital Rebel XSi / 450D - 100,000
Canon EOS Digital Rebel XS / 1000D - 100,000
Canon EOS Digital Rebel XTi / 400D - 50,000
Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT / 350D - 50,000

To add to this conversation, post anything about shutter actuations as you please. What are your own opinions or actual experience with camera failure or luck with a body that won't stop ticking even after the expected shutter life.


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Apr 11, 2012 15:36 |  #2

Your absolutely right, they can go at anytime. I had a Nikon D300 that died at 30k, approx 120k before its time. The only thing the stat really does you is give you an indication of how much use the body has seen.


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Apr 11, 2012 15:39 |  #3

Shutter count is an indication of wear and tear. The quoted numbers don't really mean much. Some cameras will make a lot more and some will fail within a week of going out of warranty. There is a website which I cannot recall does collect data of shutter failures and shutter counts. My mates D700 has over a million activations on and going strong.


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Apr 11, 2012 15:44 |  #4

I agree that there is somewhat of a fixation over shutter count. When reading the CLP thread I get a kick on how everyone has to rush out and run a shutter count on their newly purchased refurbished bodies. I guess there is some validity in inquiring about shutter count when purchasing a used body. Kind of like buying a used car and checking mileage. Of course overall appearance factors into your decision, but given identical cosmetic condition you're most likely going to choose the one with the least mileage.




  
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Apr 11, 2012 15:49 |  #5

http://www.olegkikin.c​om/shutterlife/canon_e​os_7d.htm (external link)
Heres a database for the 7D - I dare say a few entries are exaggerated but for the most part it helps.
My 7D has averaged a little over 1000 shots a week since I got it in 2009.
I think shutter life is less a deal than camera care. Shutters are not that expensive to replace - but other repairs/services are considerably more.


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Apr 11, 2012 15:51 |  #6

Consider this, for your amusement: 60D shutter rating = 100,000 actuations. Maximum continuous shooting rate = 5.3 frames per second. That gives 5 hours, 14 minutes, and 28 seconds of what we might call "minimum expected camera life". Not so impressive when you look at it that way, is it?




  
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Apr 11, 2012 15:52 |  #7

If a high shutter count can get me a really good price on a camera because some paranoid folks think it has too many, then I'm all for it.

Otherwise, honestly I couldn't care less.

If anything, think of them as a badge of honor. See how many you can get! Otherwise it's like a Ferrari that's garage-kept 350 of the 365 days a year - you paid a lot and you're not really getting anything out of it.


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Apr 11, 2012 15:54 |  #8

I agree that there is somewhat of a fixation over shutter count. When reading the CLP thread I get a kick on how everyone has to rush out and run a shutter count on their newly purchased refurbished bodies.

That makes me laugh, too, and is in line with the general tone of the responses so far.

crn3371 wrote in post #14249164 (external link)
I guess there is some validity in inquiring about shutter count when purchasing a used body. Kind of like buying a used car and checking mileage. Of course overall appearance factors into your decision, but given identical cosmetic condition you're most likely going to choose the one with the least mileage.

I see in the Marketplace Forum people posting photos of near-pristine cameras for sale and people always insist on getting the shutter count. I'm not so sure if that's really important if what you see is a camera that looks mostly unused.

I'd choose the car with less mileage, but would I pay more or less for a camera body that is +- 20,000 actuations from another one just like it? If the next body were cheaper and had more actuations, I'd go for the cheaper one. In fact, I think I'd pick up a $1500-1600 5D2 at 100,000 rather than a $1700-1800 5D2 at 20,000. That's probably just me.


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Apr 11, 2012 15:56 |  #9

Even if my 60D only makes it to half the shutter life expectancy, I will have paid less than 2 cents per image taken. If it only makes it to 10,000 clicks, one-tenth it's rating, that's still under 10 cents per image.

What did film cost again? I seem to remember paying about $6-7 per 36exp roll by the time I paid for film and (drugstore) developing. So my 60D's rated 100,000 clicks on basic film with basic processing would have cost me about $16,000 excluding the camera body.

Yeah we worry too much about digital camera life. :)


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Apr 11, 2012 15:58 |  #10

How much does it cost to repair if the shutter dies after warranty?


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Apr 11, 2012 16:00 |  #11

blackzarg wrote in post #14249249 (external link)
How much does it cost to repair if the shutter dies after warranty?

depends on the camera, but generally under $300. It's not an expensive part, so mainly just paying for labor.


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Apr 11, 2012 16:00 |  #12

My opinion is, shutter actuation on cameras is just like mileage on vehicles. Yes, any DSLR can go anytime, so does vehicle. But those statistics just mean "in general". How can it not mean anything? Is a 30k 20D is just as reliable as 30K-click 1DMkII that came out almost at the same time? Of course not. For the same user, can a 50K 1D MkIV last longer than another MkIV with 100K clicks? Highly likely.


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Apr 11, 2012 16:07 |  #13

Nathan wrote in post #14249235 (external link)
In fact, I think I'd pick up a $1500-1600 5D2 at 100,000 rather than a $1700-1800 5D2 at 20,000. That's probably just me.

I think most people would to be honest, $200 is a significant difference and would almost pay for the new shutter if it failed.

The question should be, which would you buy if they were the same price? If you truly don't care about shutter count you would be be just as happy with the higher activation body. I think most people, myself included, would choose the lower count body.

I don't worry about shutter counts, my bodies have all run up quite high counts but I have never had a shutter failure. Having said that, I would still take it into account when valuing a used camera I was interested in. I would still buy a high count body, but expect the price to reflect that, and the fact that I am more likely to face a bill for a new shutter in the future.




  
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Apr 11, 2012 16:14 |  #14

I got mine replaced for nothing under warranty, so...


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Apr 11, 2012 16:21 |  #15

I just sent in my 60D since it's shutter died. I'm thinking that I was way over 100K actuations as I shot football and many other school events and came away with 2-3k worth of photos from them consistently. Funny thing is that my 4 year old rebel XSi is still going strong but I don't have any idea on how many actuations I have put on that little guy. As for my 5D3 and the month that it's been with me, I think I've got at least 5k cycles on it now. :P


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