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Apr 17, 2012 13:38 |  #1

I picked up a 580 ex II from the ongoing canon refurb sale. Cost me about $350 all in.

I currently have a 430 ex II.

I know the 580 can now act as the master and trigger the 430 ex II off camera (if I ever set it up that way)

What other benefits am I going to see with the 580, and/or things that are different?


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Apr 17, 2012 13:42 |  #2

Off the top of my head..

Instead of the rubber semi-circle buttons of the 430 EX II, you have a mode dial. I think it makes selecting your options quite a bit faster in my experience. The 580 is a bit larger than the 430 EX II (including size around the flash head), so if you use a Sto-Fen, or any other modifiers that fit snug, you'll need new ones for your 580. It's also more powerful, but I believe you knew that (Guide # of 58' compared to the 43' of the 430 EX II).


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Apr 17, 2012 14:31 |  #3

And the head turns 360 degrees rather than 270 with the 430 : click here to see a comparison on speedlights.net (external link)




  
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Apr 17, 2012 14:40 as a reply to  @ markdrum's post |  #4

How were you able to get the 580 exII for $350.00? 20% off of 499.99 is still 399.00 + tax. Also I just tried to enter the savings code and the price did not decrease.


My bad. I was looking at the new speedlites. Not the refurbished ones.



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Apr 17, 2012 14:45 as a reply to  @ tim1970's post |  #5

Stronger flash...Check you Guide #'s. I also have both and seem to gravitate toward the 580 more and more.


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Apr 17, 2012 16:13 |  #6

thanks for the info guys.

Just watched http://www.youtube.com …k7IRg1ApGE&feat​ure=relmfu (external link)

Absolutely fantastic for new 580ex2 owners (or ones wanting to learn more : )

Think I'm going to buy one of those ETTL cords either from his company or flash zebra. I almost bought one for my 430 but just got a regular synch cord. Having the ETTL cord and ability to do on camera set up is huge.


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Apr 17, 2012 16:43 |  #7

Yeah, Syl Arena is the speedliting man. His company OCF Gear is great. Good turnaround, nice price, good quality product, and he's so knowledgeable. He has another learning space video too.


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Apr 17, 2012 16:59 |  #8

my problem is this site makes me spend money : ) I have so much gear that I purchased that now months later, I forget what it's for. LOL. I bought things just in case. Need to refresh what's in my bag. The other day I went to go buy something and then later realized I had already bought it a couple years ago.

But now that I have 2 speed lites I can really start having fun. I'm taking pics of my kids and bouncing the 430 off the ceiling. Creates nice soft light, but I'd like to light up their face a little more. So I think I'm going to do off camera bounce on the ceiling and on camera very light power with diffuser to get some well lit eyes : )


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Apr 17, 2012 18:52 |  #9

580ex is a bigger flash in make senses :)

check this out:
Speedlite 430ex 2 vs 580ex 2 (external link)

in a nutshell:

  • More power output (58 meter vs. 43 meters)
  • Wireless master mode
  • White reflector card (catchlight card)
  • Weather sealing (battery compartment, shoe mount, body and head, connectors)
  • Superior controls (select dial, newer buttons design, better on/off switch)
  • External metering sensor
  • External battery pack connector
  • PC connector
  • Head turns 180 degrees to the right (430EX II does only 90 degrees)
  • Head tilts 7 degrees down (430EX II does not go down at all)
  • Six extra custom functions

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Apr 17, 2012 18:56 |  #10

Green Li wrote in post #14283235 (external link)
More power output (58 meter vs. 43 meters)

That is one stop as I recall.


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Apr 17, 2012 19:03 |  #11

hairy_moth wrote in post #14283249 (external link)
That is one stop as I recall.

a bit less... one stop would be 100% increase in the light output (2 times), but 580ex has about 82% more power.


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Apr 17, 2012 20:44 |  #12

Green Li wrote in post #14283275 (external link)
a bit less... one stop would be 100% increase in the light output (2 times), but 580ex has about 82% more power.

I stand corrected. 82 is certainly less than 100. I bought a 430exii last year, and I was fairly sure that I read somewhere (in a review) that there was 1 stop difference; I just looked around now (to see if it said "about" or "almost") but I can't find it.


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Apr 17, 2012 21:10 |  #13

hairy_moth wrote in post #14283741 (external link)
I stand corrected. 82 is certainly less than 100. I bought a 430exii last year, and I was fairly sure that I read somewhere (in a review) that there was 1 stop difference; I just looked around now (to see if it said "about" or "almost") but I can't find it.


Sorry for the bad post!

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didn't mean to make you apologize :)
i guess, it's reasonable to round up the difference in this case. i wonder how 82% convert into f-stops. i think, once, i found, how to do it, but don't remember now :) 7/9 of f-stop?? :)


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Apr 18, 2012 07:43 |  #14

Green Li wrote in post #14283883 (external link)
:)
didn't mean to make you apologize :)
i guess, it's reasonable to round up the difference in this case. i wonder how 82% convert into f-stops. i think, once, i found, how to do it, but don't remember now :) 7/9 of f-stop?? :)


Funny, last night when I was looking for where I had read "1 stop difference" I found a site that explained the difference in power in f/stops.. Now I can't find that site, but I found one (less authoritative, but the response to the OP in this thread (external link) answers the question) that explains the conversion (and then rounds to 1 stop). :) This morning I did find several where the person rounded the difference to 1 stop, but all did use words like "approximately" or "almost"

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/80114​5 (external link)


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