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Apr 18, 2012 19:23 |  #1

Been a while since I've posted here but am trying some new looks and curious if folks could share ideas. This image with a DIY softbox in back. Lily on a smoky glass surface with a black foamboard underneath. Happy with the image with the exception of the reflection that I suspect is showing some refracted? light...thickness of the glass? I'm not sure. May remove in post but is there a technique to mitigate in camera. Welcome any suggestions and advice as to better way to shoot this style. Welcome all C&C. Thanks for looking in.

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Apr 18, 2012 21:36 |  #2

I've experienced when shooting on glass that depending on camera angle, you can pick up a dual reflection from both the top and bottom surfaces of the glass. Same holds true with a mirror...you get a reflection from the glass surface as well as the silver surface underneath.

To shoot on a mirrored surface you'd need a front surface mirror. When I was faced with something similar on a job last year, I found that by changing camera angles a little as well as adjusting the light, I could minimize it so that it wasn't a distraction...but I never totally eliminated it.

Maybe try opaque black plexi so that you only have the top surface to deal with? Does a polarizing filter have any effect? Polarizing filters over the light source?

It's been a little too long since I went through this that I can't recall specifics, sorry. But, it is a nice shot-


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Apr 19, 2012 09:15 |  #3

i like that shot, really like the light coming thru the flower




  
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Apr 19, 2012 12:35 |  #4

Thanks for insights, Foodguy. I took a look at others in the set and some of the angles did mitigate the refraction from the bottom of the glass. Here is one that didn't take much fixin' to get rid of the unwanted reflection. Worked the background to eliminate some no-rip mark on my DIY scrim. Off in search of some black acrylic and something shiny....wonder if frosted plexiglass would eliminate it without losing the reflection element. Welcome all ideas.

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Apr 19, 2012 15:31 as a reply to  @ PGSmyth's post |  #5

Not sure what 'frosted' plexi is? But I'd imagine that any frosted surface might be counter to producing a mirror like reflection.A front surface mirror really is the solution, I'm not sure what they cost, but have been used for this purpose for decades...

I've shot on black shiny plexi which can give a nice reflection, but requires a fair amount of front light to achieve IIRC.

As an aside, Plexi was a hugely popular background in the 80's. I had a large advertising agency that only used me to shoot on blue plexi. Not sure how I developed the reputation of the 'Blue Plexi Guy' but whatever...

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Apr 21, 2012 15:36 |  #6

Just happened to notice this:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1175776


seems that even black plexi gives the double reflection...assuming that's what it is.


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Apr 21, 2012 23:12 |  #7

Found black acrylic at Plastics Depot @ $7.50/sq ft with some success. Guess I should have realized that the front surface mirrors can get into some serious dollars. May have to work the ghosts out in post or experiment with stripping the backing off mirrors.

Hmmm...I see more tinkering in my future.

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Apr 22, 2012 16:05 |  #8

Here's how I came to be interested in these images in case it's of any interest...

About a year ago I got a job shooting sandwiches for a national chain restaurant. THe layouts that were sent to me included some previous work and it showed a soft reflection under the sandwich on white. Very clean and minimal. I asked if this was shot on white plexi and was told yes, that it was...and that all seemed to make sense.

I ordered a few different types of 4X4 white plexi to be delivered to the job some with a more glossy surface than others.

THe morning of the shoot, I was met with a jr. art director from the agency...seems the sr art director I'd been talking to was going to miss the first day but would be there the second.

I set up and started lighting with a 'stand-in' sandwich while the food stylist got to work building the hero. While I was doing that, I glanced over at the jr. art director who was working on her laptop. I noticed a photograph of another sandwich that she was working on and also noticed that it had a much harder reflection than white plexi would produce. I mentioned this to her and she told me ''not to worry'', that they'd done that in post.

Off we go, shooting 3 or 4 sandwiches that day all with a nice soft reflection produced from the white plexi.

On the drive home, my cell phone rang and it was the original SR art director shouting in my ear 'What are you doing? I can't work with those soft reflections...I need a hard reflection". I reminded him of the images that he'd sent me showing the softer reflection and he said that he'd started out with a hard reflection and feathered it back to get that look and that the images I had produced that day would't work. THe jr art director's words came rushing back to me but I know it wouldn't do any good to try and diffuse the situation by telling him as I could tell he was angry and it would most likely come off as a lame excuse. I offered that for the second day I'd bring a mirror that I happen to have at the studio and that we'd make it work somehow considering time was short and it was after hours with no chance to order a front surface mirror like I knew I really needed.

I stopped at the studio the next morning on the way to the location and picked up the mirror...and for the next few hours worked out what was a nice hard single reflection. Initially, I was getting the double image like you, as I suspected I would. At the end of the day, I felt like I'd pulled a rabbit out of my hat to get the job done. In addition to me and 2 assistants, there was the food stylist, the executive chef from the chain, marketing people who'd flown in for the shoot not to mention 3 or 4 people from the agency. I was feeling pretty good that we'd pulled it off especially so considering the wrong direction we'd gotten initially and also considering the ''not to worry''comment.

When it was all said and done, the images were used for billboards and in-store use and as far as I was concerned, successfully. Despite many attempts though, the agency never took my calls again and that was the last job I've done with them.

Just goes to show...???


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Apr 23, 2012 12:49 |  #9

Thanks again for taking the time to share your experience. I would have walked into the same bear trap as you.


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Apr 26, 2012 16:49 as a reply to  @ PGSmyth's post |  #10

Ha! From the 'whoda thunk it department'...just got a call from a long standing client with a project for next week. And guess who they're working with? THe ad agency that I had reflection issues with!

And of course, the project involves a reflection on the surface!! (I guess this is their stock in trade look;))THis time I'm prepared. It'll be interesting to see how the dynamics of this job play out. I've shot for this client for 10 years and my only experience with the ad agency is the one noted above. Better be on my best behavior with great surface reflections :lol:

...off to get a front surface mirror I guess.


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Apr 27, 2012 13:14 |  #11

Knock 'em dead. You have much to reflect on!


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Apr 27, 2012 13:55 as a reply to  @ PGSmyth's post |  #12

:lol: Thanks for the encouragement.

Just got an e-mail from the art director asking me if I had white plexi.:shock:


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Apr 27, 2012 14:54 |  #13

Try a glossy black tile. Since there's only one surface for the light to reflect off, it should eliminate double reflections.


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