Serious concerns about the trend in Canon sensor technology...trend to nowhere?

paulkaye wrote in post #14302343
Totally agree with this statement. What is it with UK Canon pricing? A 5diii plus 24-70ii will set you back in excess of £5k (that's about $8000 for you US guys)!! The 5dii plus 24-70 mk I can be had for a shade over £2k. That's just a crazy difference.

Don't forget that a sixth of the UK price goes to the government in VAT at 20%.

The 5D3 seems overpriced wherever you are though.

jrista wrote in post #14301819
Apologies that I voiced them in the wrong place. I reached these forums from Canon's site, and I guess I naturally assumed this was an official Canon forum. Feel free to lock or delete this, as I was hoping to get the attention of some official Canon reps. Its kind of a moot point to have it posted here.

Although this is a privately owned forum with no affiliation official or unofficial with Canon we are pretty sure that someone from Canon is in fact reading and monitoring the forum. But we are also pretty sure that we will never see any response from Canon in these forums.

To the OP

Are you flippin serious ??

Have you seen where sensor technology has gone in the past 5 yrs let alone the past 10 years...........Puuuuu​uulllllleeeesse. These little reports and bits if techno info have Jack diddly squat to do with photography nor the ability of a camera to capture great images.

Stop looking at the Bias so called experts and go take some pictures. Nothing about their opinions and testings about sensor technology matters until its printed.

cdifoto wrote in post #14302102
Will th 5D III prevent you from making great images?

you can make great images with a P&S. charging $500 more for a camera that has less DR and details is troubling.

http://i739.photobucke​t.com …1/5DmkIIIvsD800​shadow.jpg

tommykjensen wrote in post #14302526
Although this is a privately owned forum with no affiliation official or unofficial with Canon we are pretty sure that someone from Canon is in fact reading and monitoring the forum. But we are also pretty sure that we will never see any response from Canon in these forums.

And if I were Canon, monitoring the posts on this forum, I would see birds, birds, birds, transportation, transportation, macro macro sports and events photography followed a long way off by landscapers. Ergo, for most of these photographers, technological improvements in FPS, autofocus and ISO performance would be desired. I think Canon knows its market. Canon Rumours just reported that the the 5DIII has outsold the Nikon D800 between 15 and 25 to 1. That is good business.

tommykjensen wrote in post #14302526
Although this is a privately owned forum with no affiliation official or unofficial with Canon we are pretty sure that someone from Canon is in fact reading and monitoring the forum. But we are also pretty sure that we will never see any response from Canon in these forums.

Not likely. Canon Inc, from what I've seen over the years, only pays attention to select market information, and that mostly if it's in Japanese. Sometimes they will pay a little bit of attention to regional official voices like Chuck Westfall, but even he has mildly complained that they don't tell him much and don't pay much attention to him.

To be frank, forums are mostly noise in terms of marketing information. When there's no control of, for instance, Nikon fans making biased comments about cameras that aren't even on the shelves, what genuinely reliable information is there?

umphotography wrote in post #14302544
To the OP

Are you flippin serious ??

Have you seen where sensor technology has gone in the past 5 yrs let alone the past 10 years...........Puuuuu​uulllllleeeesse. These little reports and bits if techno info have Jack diddly squat to do with photography nor the ability of a camera to capture great images.

Stop looking at the Bias so called experts and go take some pictures. Nothing about their opinions and testings about sensor technology matters until its printed.

This.

If you can't take stunning photographs using most any current equipment from Canon or Nikon, then you simply don't have the ability. The equipment certainly does.

As the old adage goes, it's a poor workman that blames his tools.

I wanted a 5D2 with an improved AF system, higher fps, some improvement in noise handling while keeping the resolution the same. That's all I wanted and I was willing to pay dearly for it.

In the 5D3, I did get that, except Canon gave us a near top of the line 61pt that looks to be close to the best that is out there, dual card slots, a lot of other neat features like spot AF, better control assignments, 1/2 stop better high ISO noise handling, etc.

While the D800 shadow recovery example posted certainly is impressive, I can only speak for myself (as opposed to a few people in here who likes to speak for all former 5D2 users. The 5D3 is exactly the camera I wanted. I have 2. I'll be using the today at a shoot.

nicksan wrote in post #14302611
The 5D3 is exactly the camera I wanted. I have 2. I'll be using the today at a shoot.

Fanboy!



Oh, and the 600EX-RT flashed? Full of win! I just replaced all my 580EXII's and RadioPoppers.

aximrocks wrote in post #14302558
you can make great images with a P&S. charging $500 more for a camera that has less DR and details is troubling.

http://i739.photobucke​t.com …1/5DmkIIIvsD800​shadow.jpg

OH but but but you just need to learn to expose properly! Oh you want to preserve highlights... well them um um um you just need to use a tripod, bracket and reassemble in post. And it will only cost you 14mp of resolution and $500 more dollars for the opportunity.

Seriously, if you want to just discuss photos, composition and chocolate-covered cherry rain goto flickr or some other non-gear site. It would seem that the sub-forum entitled 'Canon EOS Digital Cameras' would be a spot to talk, discuss, compare and contrast the performance and merits of Canon cameras in relation to the industry. Why all the backlash when someone points out that Canon is getting its ass handed to them in respect to camera and sensor design?

Im part of the problem myself, I bought a mk3 because im too lazy and greedy to take a huge hit by switching systems again - and because the mk3 video is very good for my uses. But I know I contribute to the problem by telling Canon that their price gouging and their incremental upgrade is just fine by me by purchasing it. I really should just be speaking with my wallet, but alas speaking with my keyboard is easier...

I hope that other Canon users (not so heavily invested) and first-timers are swayed make a mass migration to Nikon to force Canons hand. Only then will they start to listen to what we really want. Yes Canon gave you everything you wanted in the 5d3... but 4 years later? Puhlease, if you dont expect sensor advancement in 4 years you are expecting too little of your $3500... Nikon gave their users everything they wanted in the d800 and MORE. Their sensor tech has not stagnated in the 4 years since the D700 release... it tripled its resolutions AND made a major IQ improvement. The 5d3 sensor has actually made regression in some areas... we shouldnt be so quickly to silently and willingly accept this.

aximrocks wrote in post #14302558
you can make great images with a P&S. charging $500 more for a camera that has less DR and details is troubling.

Then do not buy the camera. Plenty of people have and sice they have and Canon can continue to sell every single camera off the line the price is rigth. If it was too high the cameras would not get sold.

jthomps123 wrote in post #14302650
Only then will they start to listen to what we really want.

Hmm please replace "we" with "I".

tommykjensen wrote in post #14302679
Hmm please replace "we" with "I".

Ha. THanks for the laugh.
Show my ANY mk3 owner who doesn't want more dynamic range from this sensor and i'll show you a liar.

tommykjensen wrote in post #14302679
Hmm please replace "we" with "I".

Really??

Underwhelming amount of DR is the biggest weakness in Canon's entire lineup nowdays, so yeah I think it is "we want.".

I wonder how slim the % is of owners that push their camera bodies to 99% of what they are capable of producing?