Serious concerns about the trend in Canon sensor technology...trend to nowhere?

fotoworx wrote in post #14302717
I wonder how slim the % is of owners that push their camera bodies to 99% of what they are capable of producing?

Good question. I do this every time I take a high contrast landscape shot or other photo, where I am unable to use bracketing or GND filters. (Pushing the shadows in PP.)

And I think we all know how bad the 5D2 / 5D3 is when it comes to pushing the shadows.

Of course, the anti-DR mob will simply tell me that I need to learn how to expose correctly.

fotoworx wrote in post #14302717
I wonder how slim the % is of owners that push their camera bodies to 99% of what they are capable of producing?

I shoot high-dynamic range photos maybe 1/5th the time? I sure would be nice to recover those shadows as shown above.

This is akin to my giving back half my paycheck last week because I didnt 'need' it to pay my bills this month...

jthomps123 wrote in post #14302697
Ha. THanks for the laugh.
Show my ANY mk3 owner who doesn't want more dynamic range from this sensor and i'll show you a liar.

Rediculous. So you are basically calling an admin here for a liar! Nice touch.

My point is that You cannot speak for what WE want because you do not know what everybody wants.

I find it quite funny that you advocate for everybody else to drop their Canon gear and buy Nikon but you are not willing to do it yourself.

Ricku wrote in post #14302723
Good question. I do this every time I take a high contrast landscape shot or other photo, where I am unable to use bracketing or GND filters. (Pushing the shadows in PP.)

And we all know how "good" the 5D2 / 5D3 is when it comes to pushing the shadows.

Of course, the anti-DR mob will simply tell me that I need to learn how to expose correctly.

So true. That comment is pretty played out.

tommykjensen wrote in post #14302731
Rediculous. So you are basically calling an admin here for a liar! Nice touch.

My point is that You cannot speak for what WE want because you do not know what everybody wants.

I find it quite funny that you advocate for everybody else to drop their Canon gear and buy Nikon but you are not willing to do it yourself.

If the shoe fits.

Im and advocate for those who shoot stills. I switched to Canon for video... and its still a leader IMO in that department. Thats the only real reason I stayed this time around.

cdifoto wrote in post #14302102
I'm not going to read all this. You lost my interest as soon as you mentioned DxO.

However, I do have a question:

Will th 5D III prevent you from making great images?

If you don't have the decency to read his post, why do you think you have earned the right to post such a useless response?

jthomps123 wrote in post #14302751
If the shoe fits.

You "do" realize that this is an International forum, and that even though English is the spoken language here, your words could easily be taken the wrong way by someone that English is a second language to? Please be more careful with your choice of words, because you wouldn't want to inadvertently offend somebody, now would you?
Now everybody please un cock those pistols and put them away.
-Bruce

tommykjensen wrote in post #14302731
My point is that You cannot speak for what WE want because you do not know what everybody wants.

I find it quite funny that you advocate for everybody else to drop their Canon gear and buy Nikon but you are not willing to do it yourself.

Thank You!

Ricku is trolling more then anything for the past few weeks. I find it funny how he doesnt have a D800 yet, either. Complain endlessly for something he can fix and be happy with. He would rather just call everyone fanboys and complain over and over.

umphotography wrote in post #14302544
To the OP

Are you flippin serious ??

Have you seen where sensor technology has gone in the past 5 yrs let alone the past 10 years...........Puuuuu​uulllllleeeesse. These little reports and bits if techno info have Jack diddly squat to do with photography nor the ability of a camera to capture great images.

Stop looking at the Bias so called experts and go take some pictures. Nothing about their opinions and testings about sensor technology matters until its printed.

I was keeping the party line just like you until some direct visual comparisons between the 5D III and D800 started coming out. I totally agree, numbers generally mean diddley squat...but actual results mean everything. I most certainly do not believe DxO numbers when they claim the D800 is capable of 14.4 stops. For one, that over a stop more than they claim the sensor is capable of in the first place, 13.2 stops. Worse than that, though, they are claiming the D800 is capable of more than a 14-bit ADC is capable of as well! Bits and stops fit the same scale...ever successive bit or stop is a doubling of the scale of the previous, so find it laughable for DxO to claim 14.4 stops maximum DR for the D800.

That said...there IS a definite benefit between the 11.7 stops of the 5D III and 13.2 stops the D800:

5D III

saea501 wrote in post #14302571
This.

If you can't take stunning photographs using most any current equipment from Canon or Nikon, then you simply don't have the ability. The equipment certainly does.

As the old adage goes, it's a poor workman that blames his tools.

This kind of thing is some of the naiveté in the photographic world that drives me nuts. I can take a good photograph, thats not the problem. When I regularly run into the limitations of my hardware, that affects the photographs I take. Yeah, sure, anyone can take a stunning photograph with the rinky-dinky sensor on an Apple iPhone...an Apple iPhone camera is all the world needs. Give me a break, ppl!

A better tool in the hands of a skilled artist can always be used. You could say the only tool a craftsman ever needs is a hammer...but we all know where that story ends up. No, better tools are not always a "necessity"...but better tools in the hands of someone who knows how to use them can help improve the quality of their work, without question.

I'm not blaming my tools, I LIKE the tools I have (my 7D and the lenses I have serve me superbly well for my bird and wildlife photography). Thats not my problem. My problem is, if I'm going to drop several thousand dollars on a NEW tool...it DAMN WELL BETTER BE A BETTER TOOL! At the moment, the options for me, from a landscape photography perspective, are the 5D III with shoddy performance at the ISO's I'd need to use to the tune of $3500, or the D800 with unbelievable performance at the ISO's I'd need to use to the tune of $3000 (but, sadly, also the cost of a wide angle lens, but lets put that aside for a moment.) I'd much prefer to stick with Canon and get a 5D III...but I could get a 5D II, for a hell of a lot cheaper, and get pretty much the same exact IQ as from a 5D III. And still not get nearly the IQ as from a D800, or possibly even a D7000. THAT IS MY COMPLAINT, and I believe it is an entirely valid one.

I'm not **** that I can't take a photograph because my gear sucks. I'm **** because I've waited many years for Canon to release the 5D III, and while some of its features are awesome...its a tool for producing images...and its image quality is roughly the same; and rather disappointing.

jrista wrote in post #14303215
That said...there IS a definite benefit between the 11.7 stops of the 5D III and 13.2 stops the D800:

5D III

D800

So like, what were the settings that these photos were taken at?

jthomps123 wrote in post #14302751
If the shoe fits.

Im and advocate for those who shoot stills. I switched to Canon for video... and its still a leader IMO in that department. Thats the only real reason I stayed this time around.

Then stop complaining.

Invertalon wrote in post #14303128
Thank You!

Ricku is trolling more then anything for the past few weeks. I find it funny how he doesnt have a D800 yet, either. Complain endlessly for something he can fix and be happy with. He would rather just call everyone fanboys and complain over and over.

I concur.

bikeboynate wrote in post #14303263
So like, what were the settings that these photos were taken at?

See the following for the details:
http://www.fredmiranda​.com …dex_controlled-tests.html

Feel free to bash him, but Fred Miranda is a damn good, seasoned, very well known photographer...so bash at your own risk.