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400 5.6 vs 70-200 MK II with 2x TC

 
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Apr 21, 2012 08:54 |  #1

I had a loan of a 1D Mark IV and a 70-200 2.8 II from Canon CPS to evaluate both.

One of the things I wanted to look at was the 70-200 2.8 II with TC compared to my 400 5.6. I would never have thought this was much of a combination for bird photography, but noted photographer Artie Morris has been raving about the combination for a month or so and has posted some great shots using the combo on his blog.
I have gotten some decent shots with the 400 5.6 but my best have been when it is rested on something. I am blaming this on the lack of IS but my hand holding technique probably sucks.

Below are two photos which give some idea of a comparison. The first is with the ID Mark IV, 70-200 and the 2X TC II (not the newest version.)
The settings are 640 ISO F5.6 1/500 sec.

The rest of the processing is same for both shots. Converted to TIFF in LR4 moved to photoshop, tonal contrast added in Nik Color Efex 4and 1 shot of smart sharpen, which is sort of my normal method.

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The next shot is taken with the 5D Mark II 400 5.6. ISO 640 f 6.3 1/640 sec. If anything the settings should slightly favor the 400 5.6. Both shots were handheld with my elbow resting on the arm rest of my truck shooting out the window.

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I draw no amazing conclusion here other than the 70-200 with the TC is much better than I would have believed. I assumed it would have been blown away by the 400 5.6. There is no question it will focus faster, but for a shot like this the quality is pretty close.

I just thought I would pass it along for you guys to take a look at.

Right now I have a 70-200 F4IS and the 400 5.6. If I could make the 70-200 2.8 with TC work, it would let me get rid of one lens. It will be hard to get rid of the 70-200 F4 because of its light weight and sharp results.

I'll be curious to hear comments.

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Apr 21, 2012 09:01 |  #2

I had the 400 for a bit, but the lack of IS really doesn't lend itself well for this focal length.

I got the new 2x extender, and it with the v2 of the 70-200 is a pretty nice combo.

Definitely sharp and a nice portable combo w/ IS.

These were all shot w/ 5D2, 70-200, 2x extender

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Apr 21, 2012 09:10 |  #3

You both came to the same conclusion as I did, at least for the way I shoot, which is not much BIF.


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Apr 21, 2012 09:21 |  #4

In your first image, the bird is a bit soft. Bit less detail it looks like.


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Apr 21, 2012 09:35 |  #5

Nice test...thanks for taking the time and posting your results. I also had the same lenses and found the 400 was the sharper of the two but I did miss the is, Iam getting older and not as steady as I use to be so I tried the 300is with the tc 1.4 with better results than either of the other two. I would like to try the tc2 with the 300 one of these days when I find one cheap enough,lol


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Apr 21, 2012 11:02 |  #6

try some BIFs and then let us see.


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Apr 21, 2012 15:34 |  #7

Actually I did try it and it wasn't terrible. Obviously the 400 5.6 was better, according to Canon you lose at least 20% of Autofocus speed with the TC and I am sure it was at least that or more.


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Apr 21, 2012 16:02 |  #8

The AF on the 400mm f/5.6L is super fast.




  
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Apr 21, 2012 19:19 as a reply to  @ Tsmith's post |  #9

70-200 MK II with 2x TCII from today crop size 2257 x 1806

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Apr 21, 2012 21:38 |  #10

Garry Gibson wrote in post #14304389 (external link)
Actually I did try it and it wasn't terrible. Obviously the 400 5.6 was better, according to Canon you lose at least 20% of Autofocus speed with the TC and I am sure it was at least that or more.

20% focus speed. I haven't tried 2x TC on my 70-200mm f2.8 IS II yet but have on 300mm f2.8 IS which is still better than 70-200mm f2.8 and it crawls with 2xTC on 1dmk2. Bare 400mm f5.6 is even a bit fatser than 300mm f2.8 IS from what I saw as it has larger MFD. Each person has different idea of AF speed. For me I want to shoot a running back or a receiver coming at me and better have camera/lens track it. Even 1.4x TC on 300mm f2.8 IS slows down AF a lot compared to the bare lens.


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Apr 21, 2012 21:44 |  #11

Even on the postage-stamp sized images, it's clear the 70-200 is not nearly as sharp. I think that's a killer for birds... I tried the 70-200 2.8 IS w/ 2x and 1.4x. The 2x was awful, unless I was shooting a lit object in a dark room. The 1.4x was fine all-around. My 400 5.6 is better, even with a 1.4x on it.




  
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Apr 22, 2012 06:41 |  #12

I am curious about the validity of testing with two very different bodies .




  
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