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1ds mark ii vs 5d mark ii

 
michael ­ Lee
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Apr 22, 2012 23:31 |  #1

Its time to move on from my 1d mark ii. I love the camera, but I need something with more resolution for larger prints.
I am a wedding and portrait photographer. I love the AF on my camera, and the pro body.

My main concerns about the 1ds ii are the small screen. Its what I have now and I do not love looking at images on it. I think the 1ds has better screen resolution so thats a plus.

The pluses about the 5d are obvious as I believe it is (or was) the most popular choice for wedding photographers. I will be adding a grip if I go this route as I really enjoy having the second shutter controls.

Give me your opinions please.




  
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Apr 22, 2012 23:43 |  #2

I have 5d2 and bought a 1ds II to try. I never owned any other 1d cameras.

I am selling the 1ds II.

1ds II: Faster shutter lag and more advanced AF system...dual card slots CF and SD...active-point spot metering...comparable low light focus locking ability I think, overall...

5d2: Files are somewhat more flexible and a bit better high ISO noise control. Has live view and movie mode. Lighter, battery lasts a long time for such a small unit. Same size viewfinder though it has a somewhat different look to it...

1ds II bad things: LCD can just barely make out where the sharpest area of the image might be because it tends to pixelate. LCD Resolution is poor. Heavy. Two-handed setting changes for ISO, AF, reviewing images, etc...no live view or movies...

5d2 bad things: Slower shutter response time...no active-point spot metering, fewer AF points...some would say AF accuracy is lower, I am not sure.


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Apr 23, 2012 00:01 |  #3

Thanks for the response.
Couple things I forgot to point out.
I dont mind the 2 hand operation on the 1d. In fact I kind of like it.
The weight of a 1d is fine for me. I have gotten used to shooting with it all day long.
Movie mode doesnt matter to me at all.
Minus the weight, the clunky controls and movie mode do you still like the 5d better?




  
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Apr 23, 2012 00:22 |  #4

I shoot the 1DS2 personally and use a 5D2 at work. I too, have thought about replacing the 1DS2 with a 5D2. Unlike a lot of other people, I think the 5D2's main drawback is the fact that it's got far fewer selectable AF points. Yes, the low light AF lock is pretty poor compared to 1 series bodies, but if you don't need to track moving objects in night clubs, it's not a deal breaker.

Where the 1D2's AF really shines is the fact that you can choose from so many points. I find that this really aids framing subjects properly in camera. I actually prefer the AF point selection more than the 1D3's (which I also own.) I would think that in the context of your work as a wedding shooter, you're going to miss the flexibility in AF point selection that the 1DS2 offers. Of course, I'm assuming that you shoot that way. If all you do is center point, then the point is moot.

The big plus with the 5D2 is ISO performance, of course. I think the noise levels are better at higher ISOs and you can go higher if you absolutely need to. And while I like the LCD of the 5D2, I actually think that it's deceptively good looking—even bad shots look good when chimping and you might not realize something's missed focus until you view it on a computer screen. This is something that's even more true of the 5D3! One more major thing to mention: 5D2 doesn't have a 100% viewfinder. You'll get used to it in all likelihood, but it's a bit of a shock at first.

Bottom line: if you mainly shoot center point, think you'll get used to the viewfinder, and often find yourself wishing to shoot beyond 1600 ISO, then go ahead and get a 5D2.




  
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Apr 23, 2012 01:01 |  #5

i use both 5D2 and 1ds2 for wedding.

1ds2 wins in daylight due to AF

5D2 wins in lowlight due to better ISO.

"form" has mentioned the pros and cons really well. Btw, 1ds2 is a showoff camera in front of wedding guest. People will say, "wao, that's expensive..." (of course, we know how much it is compared to the 5D2 in current context)

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Apr 23, 2012 10:04 |  #6

Thanks for the replies everyone. I think what it's cOming down to for me is the screen on the 1ds. If it had a better screen it would be hands down the camera for me. Now I am asking myself can I live with that same tiny screen....




  
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Apr 23, 2012 10:52 |  #7

michael Lee wrote in post #14312917 (external link)
Thanks for the replies everyone. I think what it's cOming down to for me is the screen on the 1ds. If it had a better screen it would be hands down the camera for me. Now I am asking myself can I live with that same tiny screen....

Exactly- unless you need the higher ISO capability of the 5D2, the 1DsII is the way to go. I love files out of the 1DsII- it's rugged, fast, and the outer AF points all work. I also found the flash metering with the 1DsII to be more accurate and consistent than the 5D2.




  
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Apr 23, 2012 12:26 |  #8

snakedoc wrote in post #14311404 (external link)
I shoot the 1DS2 personally and use a 5D2 at work. I too, have thought about replacing the 1DS2 with a 5D2. Unlike a lot of other people, I think the 5D2's main drawback is the fact that it's got far fewer selectable AF points. Yes, the low light AF lock is pretty poor compared to 1 series bodies, but if you don't need to track moving objects in night clubs, it's not a deal breaker.

Where the 1D2's AF really shines is the fact that you can choose from so many points. I find that this really aids framing subjects properly in camera. I actually prefer the AF point selection more than the 1D3's (which I also own.) I would think that in the context of your work as a wedding shooter, you're going to miss the flexibility in AF point selection that the 1DS2 offers. Of course, I'm assuming that you shoot that way. If all you do is center point, then the point is moot.

The big plus with the 5D2 is ISO performance, of course. I think the noise levels are better at higher ISOs and you can go higher if you absolutely need to. And while I like the LCD of the 5D2, I actually think that it's deceptively good looking—even bad shots look good when chimping and you might not realize something's missed focus until you view it on a computer screen. This is something that's even more true of the 5D3! One more major thing to mention: 5D2 doesn't have a 100% viewfinder. You'll get used to it in all likelihood, but it's a bit of a shock at first.

Bottom line: if you mainly shoot center point, think you'll get used to the viewfinder, and often find yourself wishing to shoot beyond 1600 ISO, then go ahead and get a 5D2.

Huh? The 5DII's VF is 98%, 0.71x mag... The 1DsII's is 100%, 0.70x mag. Not very much difference... at least on paper. (5D classic's VF is smaller: 96%, 0.71x mag.)

I agree about the LCD monitor... I simply don't rely upon it all that much... Mostly to check histograms and sometimes to zoom in and check focus. I don't trust it - on any camera - to make decisions about deleting shots, for example, unless they are very clearly bad (accidental shots of my toes or other gross mistakes.)

Pretty much what Scott wrote...

I would think the AF system of the 1D camera would be it's biggest selling point, compared to the 5DII. I do miss the 45 point system I used on earlier (film) cameras. But the 5DII's is adequate for many things.

Of all it's features, I think the high ISO capabililties and performance of 5DII would be it's key selling point, compared to 1Ds II or III.


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Apr 23, 2012 12:39 |  #9

I love both....I used both on my last wedding and I totally love the combo( 1Ds II with 70-200 2.8 & 5DMK II with 24-70).
just to add to what it was said above..
Draw backs I don't like about 1Ds II : are the tiny LCD and low res, heavy when you add 70-200 ( don't mind tho :) ) but love everything else, AND it takes SD and CF cards.


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Apr 23, 2012 13:48 |  #10

amfoto1 wrote in post #14313616 (external link)
Huh? The 5DII's VF is 98%, 0.71x mag... The 1DsII's is 100%, 0.70x mag. Not very much difference... at least on paper. (5D classic's VF is smaller: 96%, 0.71x mag.)

Yes, it's a small difference on paper, but I think if you've spent years shooting the 1DS2, that difference can feel pretty large in real world shooting. It does for me, but YMMV. Not a huge deal, but worth pointing out as something to bear in mind.




  
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