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Apr 23, 2012 08:11 |  #1

My first go at product photography is with some great guys that have started their own distillery in the barrel house of the old James E Pepper distillery in Lexington, KY. your feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Update: I went back and took some more shots with altered lighting. Does the 2nd shot look better than the first?

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Apr 23, 2012 08:29 |  #2

Just my .02...

It's a competent photograph but I find the bank light reflection a bit distracting and the overall image a little flat. It might benefit at this point from additional sharpening and saturation/contrast. That potentially could affect the edges of the bottle where it meets the background though.

When doing these kinds of images, I'll often use a black card to reflect on the very edges of the bottle to add a little more contrast and definition to the bottle edges.


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Apr 23, 2012 08:43 |  #3

nice, but i don't like the reflection in center/left




  
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Apr 23, 2012 09:25 |  #4

I'll have to try some with a black card and see if I can get it to work for me. On the reflection, I have studied product photos in numerous magazines and see some people that have them and some that don't. I would prefer to not photoshop it and am open to lighting setup recommendations to better deal with it before the shutter clicks.


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Apr 23, 2012 09:33 |  #5

The way some photographers get the liquid in the bottles to really stand out (that kinda glow) is they cut out the bottom of the seamless and base being very careful to cut it to the exact shape of the glass or bottle sitting on it and put a light in from below. Bring the key light in from almost behind the product and use reflectors to kick in light to the front being very careful not to get glare from the reflectors.




  
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Apr 23, 2012 09:53 |  #6

thanks for the input Allen. I thought about lighting from the bottom but will have to do some serious work to my setup to make that happen. Lighting from behind and reflecting back on the front also has good merit and might be easier for me to implement.


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Apr 23, 2012 10:50 |  #7

Not sure that lighting from below will make the liquid 'glow'. Maybe I'm wrong...would love to see an example.

If you want the liquid to glow, place a gold card on the back side, leaning from the bottom of the bottle at an angle to catch light and reflect the color back through the bottle. Even a white card would help, depending on the amount of glow you're looking for. Cutting the card to the shape of the bottle. Getting it right can be tedious though as the bottle will distort the card showing the edges. If the shot is for a silo, it doesn't matter. you'll also want to cut it so that it doesn't show through the clear neck...again it takes a while to do properly. You also have the disadvantage of the glass bottle being clear with no condensation to 'hide' any shortcomings with the card.

As far as backlighting, what you're really doing is lighting the seamless behind the bottle, again to direct a lighter surface through the bottle. A direct light on the liquid itself won't have much effect imo.

I've shot bottles for decades and have a stash of cards made from previous jobs...that saves a little time.


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Apr 23, 2012 11:38 as a reply to  @ Foodguy's post |  #8

Your second version has a nicer light, imo. Slightly heavy in exposure but not much...especially so if it's going to be silo'd....but I much prefer the lack of bank light reflection. Overall though, this is much richer. A Levels adjustment would really make it pop. Nice job.

I tried to find an example of a card reflected through a liquid, and in short time this was the best that I could do. This has the advantage of condensation/ice etc to hide the card edges (especially if not cut properly) but hopefully will convey the general idea. Without the card in the drink, there'd only be dark blue coming through the cup, and the aim here was realism, not necessarily 'glow' but that's only a short hop away in technique.

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Apr 23, 2012 11:45 |  #9

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Not sure that lighting from below will make the liquid 'glow'. Maybe I'm wrong...would love to see an example.

If you want the liquid to glow, place a gold card on the back side, leaning from the bottom of the bottle at an angle to catch light and reflect the color back through the bottle. Even a white card would help, depending on the amount of glow you're looking for. Cutting the card to the shape of the bottle. Getting it right can be tedious though as the bottle will distort the card showing the edges. If the shot is for a silo, it doesn't matter. you'll also want to cut it so that it doesn't show through the clear neck...again it takes a while to do properly. You also have the disadvantage of the glass bottle being clear with no condensation to 'hide' any shortcomings with the card.

As far as backlighting, what you're really doing is lighting the seamless behind the bottle, again to direct a lighter surface through the bottle. A direct light on the liquid itself won't have much effect imo.

I've shot bottles for decades and have a stash of cards made from previous jobs...that saves a little time.


You see it a lot in beer photos. You can tell that was the method when the beer has that real attractive golden look to it. You can also back light it with a spot but the lighting it from below ALSO is a great way t opunch up a light to med liquid in a bottle or glass. You will still need a ket light and quit possible several fill light or reflectors. IIRC I think Dean Collins shows how to do this on one of his videos.




  
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Apr 23, 2012 11:46 |  #10

thanks for the input and the example. I will add the card trick to the list of ideas I would like to pursue in lighting bottles. this picture is a bad example of lighting from underneath. It was actually taken while we enjoyed the product, we lit it with a surefire and used an iPhone for the capture.

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Apr 23, 2012 11:47 |  #11

not sure what happened to the bottom of the photo


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Apr 23, 2012 11:51 as a reply to  @ tewlman's post |  #12

^ yup, what I'd expect from bottom lighting.

Trust me on this one, the attractive beer photos you see have a gold card behind them! and if the card has a slight curve to it it will render a gradation of 'glow'. Should add that the card has light on it...not 'just a card'.


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thanks for the input and the example. I will add the card trick to the list of ideas I would like to pursue in lighting bottles. this picture is a bad example of lighting from underneath. It was actually taken while we enjoyed the product, we lit it with a surefire and used an iPhone for the capture.

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Just wasn't done propery. A smaller openng and the light is way to strong. Bring it down a couple stops at least. And your still going to need a ket light and fill.

What we used to do was put a large piece of foam core or cardboard that light won't pass through cut the right size hole and put that on a large frosted light table. Then roll out the seamless over that and cut the hole in the seamless and then light the producteexactly the way we would if were weren't going to put a light through the bottom. Then put the light through the botton and get the ratoi so it just pops up the liquid but doesn't blow everyhting out. But key is the defusion on the light table the right size hole in the cardboard and seamless and the correct exposre from the light under the light table.




  
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