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Apr 24, 2012 08:27 |  #1

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I've been long confused by what settings will best preserve screen sharpness when converting from RAW to JPG in Lightroom.

I do a lot of web sharing with my Mustang Club and my family with pictures of my son and I always lose quality when exporting to JPG.

Right now I'm not in front of my PC, but my basic settings in LR are to export from RAW to JPG, resize the long edge to 1000, quality at 100%, resolution at 240, and screen sharpening turned off. This usually results in a 500-600 KB file, which seems small to me.

The results, while good, are not as sharp as RAW. I realize that some of this is due to the compression of JPG in general, but are there other tricks I can use? Up the resolution? Don't resize on export and resize elsewhere? ...?

Thanks, sorry if this has been discussed but I was unable to locate doing a few searches.
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Apr 24, 2012 08:46 |  #2

First off resolution has nothing to do with viewing on monitors. It is for printing only. You can set it to 1 or 1000 and it will make no difference.

Do you have a another editing software like PS where you can do additional sharpening? If not I noticed a difference when exporting and applying screen sharpening using LR, and there is a difference between standard and high.

You may want to try increasing the sharpening slider when you are in the develop module. If you hold the option key (MAC) and slide the masking slider to the right you will notice it begins to edge sharpen as you go to the right. The more you go to the right the more edge sharpening. This avoids sharpening flat areas and smooth backgrounds which just creates noise.

Although I use the masking feature I leave sharpening at the default of 25. Depending on what I am doing I may use sharpening when exporting or not. If I am doing a few images for my hobby I prefer to do my own final sharpening in PS. If I am doing mass edits I find using the export sharpening feature set to screen and high adequate for most images. If I'm not happy I have some sharpening actions in PS I can batch.


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Apr 24, 2012 09:14 |  #3

Is this to imply that LR doesn't have the same sharpening abilities as PS? I do have PS to use, but prefer to do all my edits in LR where possible. The image looks great in LR when doing the sharpening in there, and viewing as RAW. It's only when viewing as a JPG outsite of LR that the images tend to lose crispness.


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Apr 24, 2012 10:17 |  #4

You're correct: Lightroom does not have all the same sharpening abilities as Photoshop. In Photoshop you can sharpen in a dozen different ways - from the simple "sharpen" and "sharpen more" to "unsharp mask" to the high pass filter. That's not to say that you can't get sharp images out of Lightroom, though, if the original image was in focus and well exposed.

Couple of thoughts about your first post:
The file size (in KB) doesn't have much to do with how good the image looks. 500k seems pretty large for an image that's only 1000 pixels on the long edge, especially for web sharing.

The "Quality" slider is a little misleading. Depending on the content of the image, you can often crank the "Quality" slider way down without any perceptible losses in the image. And, though it goes against common sense, a "busier" picture can often get by with a LOWER quality setting, while a simpler picture with wide expanses of a single color will often require a higher quality setting. Read more about it here:
http://regex.info …room-goodies/jpeg-quality (external link)

If you're doing web sharing, make sure you TURN ON your output sharpening. Set it to Screen Sharpening and Standard... if it's photos of your cars, maybe even set it to High. This will re-render the sharpening effects after the image is resized to 1000px. The Sharpen sliders are primarily applied to the original, full-sized file. When the file is shrunk down to web size, you've gotta sharpen it again, and that's what the Output Sharpening panel is for.


If it's an important project and I want to do the best possible job on each individual photo, I'll do all the sharpening in Photoshop. However, for many images at a time, this isn't always feasible... I simply can't spend an hour editing every photo I take.


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Apr 24, 2012 10:36 |  #5

FastGT94 wrote in post #14318904 (external link)
Is this to imply that LR doesn't have the same sharpening abilities as PS? I do have PS to use, but prefer to do all my edits in LR where possible. The image looks great in LR when doing the sharpening in there, and viewing as RAW. It's only when viewing as a JPG outsite of LR that the images tend to lose crispness.

When you say the images "lose crispness", well...what that actually may mean depends on various factors. "Sharpness" has to do with "fine details" in the shot, but what you call "crispness" my have more to do with "perceived" qualities, such as contrast and such.

And, how you view the resulting jpegs makes a difference -- what software and hardware, for instance.

Try importing a jpeg you have output back into Lightroom and comparing it with the Raw and see how much difference there is (viewing them at the same size). I'd bet that you will not see much difference, aside from any "output sharpening" that you applied at Export.


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Apr 24, 2012 10:39 |  #6

I did some tests about two weeks ago. I exported an image using output sharpening on screen - high and did the same export with sharpening off. I sharpened that second export in PS USM 100, 0.3, 0 and compared both images. They were pretty close.

I use this sharpening method in PS for my personal work.

http://www.earthboundl​ight.com …search=edge+mas​k&bool=and (external link)

Here is a pretty good PS tutorial.

//www.youtube.com/watc​h?v=PmLDw124uUA&featur​e=player_embedded#! (external link)

Since resizing goes hand in hand with sharpening I included this as well.

http://www.youtube.com …4mV3NsLmXw&feat​ure=relmfu (external link)


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Apr 24, 2012 10:47 |  #7

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Greetings,

I've been long confused by what settings will best preserve screen sharpness when converting from RAW to JPG in Lightroom....my basic settings in LR are to export from RAW to JPG, resize the long edge to 1000, quality at 100%, resolution at 240, and screen sharpening turned off. This usually results in a 500-600 KB file, which seems small to me.

The results, while good, are not as sharp as RAW. I realize that some of this is due to the compression of JPG in general, but are there other tricks I can use? Up the resolution? Don't resize on export and resize elsewhere? ...?

First of all, there are different kinds of Sharpening...LR has Output Sharpening in the Export dialog. It has Creative Sharpening in the Develop settings. Read more here about Sharpening. http://www.cambridgein​colour.com …ials/image-sharpening.htm (external link)


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Apr 24, 2012 10:52 |  #8

That is correct. Once you learn about the 3 different kinds of sharpening this becomes easier. Like I said I consider the 3 using DPP and 25 using LR/SCR capture sharpening.

http://photo.net …hop-tutorials/sharpening/ (external link)


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Apr 24, 2012 12:04 |  #9

If you're doing web sharing, make sure you TURN ON your output sharpening. Set it to Screen Sharpening and Standard... if it's photos of your cars, maybe even set it to High. This will re-render the sharpening effects after the image is resized to 1000px. The Sharpen sliders are primarily applied to the original, full-sized file. When the file is shrunk down to web size, you've gotta sharpen it again, and that's what the Output Sharpening panel is for.

You have LR sharpening that you are ignoring. Why?


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Apr 24, 2012 13:36 |  #10

Thanks for all the links!! I'll read up on those. For the record, I've been using the LR sharpening in develop mode along with their noise reduction with good results IMO, but maybe I'm missing the boat on the export sharpening as well. Would like to minimize the amount of time since the majority of my stuff is typically batches instead of individuals.

After reading those I'll experiment with a few other options including PS sharpening.

The issue I'm noticing can be seen somewhat in this pic. The GT fender emblem in LR was tack sharp, but became less than optimal on export to JPG.

IMAGE: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27254227/Pictures/CMC/CentILSVT2012/IMG_3479.jpg

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Apr 24, 2012 18:48 |  #11

You don't have "Image Editing OK" enabled. I can show you what it took me in seconds to sharpen that image in PS. If we can have access to the RAW file we can help you more.


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Apr 24, 2012 19:04 |  #12

Sorry didn't know about that, I enabled it. Feel free :)

I'll post up the raw file on Dropbox tonight


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Apr 24, 2012 19:21 |  #13

I just used the image you posted and applied the RSS method I use in PS. I created an a action for it. I can direct to to a link that has all the info if you wish.

I pushed the sharpening pretty hard. It can be feathered back.

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Apr 24, 2012 19:47 |  #14

Dude, I'll take you up on that link, thanks!!! Definitely better than my original.

Here's the link to the raw file
http://dl.dropbox.com …227/RAWFiles/IM​G_3479.CR2 (external link)


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Apr 24, 2012 20:53 |  #15

You can get very good results without that RSS technique. Just USM or Smart Sharpen in PS will do it. PS elements is much less expensive and will be able to help you if you do the research.


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