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Dec 03, 2005 06:52 |  #1

Just curious. I'm happy as a clam with my new Digital Rebel XT, even though I came to digital kicking and screaming only after my film camera died and could not be repaired.

Now I'm curious, why would anyone still shoot film? What film cameras are you all using? And if you use 35mm film, will the vignetting be more pronounced with EF-S lenses? Am I correct in understanding they have a smaller image circle based on the APS-C sensor dimensions? For that matter, do those lenses work with the full-frame digitals?

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Dec 03, 2005 07:46 |  #2

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And if you use 35mm film, will the vignetting be more pronounced with EF-S lenses?

EF-s lenses won't fit analog bodies. Just as well, otherwise the mirror would be smashed to pieces :p They are designed to stick into the camera a bit further then normal EF lenses, and do have a smaller image circle.

To answer your other question: Yes, I still shoot film sometimes (B/W or slide).
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Dec 03, 2005 08:05 |  #3

JohnCollins wrote:
Just curious. I'm happy as a clam with my new Digital Rebel XT, even though I came to digital kicking and screaming only after my film camera died and could not be repaired.

Now I'm curious, why would anyone still shoot film? What film cameras are you all using? And if you use 35mm film, will the vignetting be more pronounced with EF-S lenses? Am I correct in understanding they have a smaller image circle based on the APS-C sensor dimensions? For that matter, do those lenses work with the full-frame digitals?

Just curious. Thanks!

John

If I am shooting an event like a 50th anniversary party or a similar event and the people want a proof of every photo it is worth it for me time wise to shoot film. I can leave the event go home and go to bed, in the morning I drop off the film and pick it up that evening. I generally give the negs with the pics so I don't have to archive anything and generally don't include enlargements in my price, I only charge for my time and the processing. I shoot digital when I will not be taking hundreds of photos that all have to be proofed. I always shoot digital when I am shooting for myself as it is "free", usually speculation stuff or my own portfolio work.


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Dec 03, 2005 14:37 as a reply to  @ jimlp's post |  #4

I shoot a Canon film camera once in a while with Provia or Velvia slide film.

If I know that I have an unusual subject on my hands that has a lot of subtle tonal variations and detail, then I will carry the film camera along to supplement the digital camera. A 42-bit high-res scan from the slide will be huge (like 100-150MB), so I can print it much larger than I could a straight digital image. The straight digital image could be resampled upward, but it just isn't the same.

This is especially true when my subject is difficult to reach. For example, one favorite outdoor scene of mine requires a 1000-mile round trip drive and a 20-mile round trip day hike. If I am going to that much trouble to get the shot, I might as well capture it on film.

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Dec 03, 2005 15:09 |  #5
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I also shoot film because of the 1.6x crop factor. My Sigma 12-24 is stunning at 12mm on my EOS-3. I may buy a 5D this spring though.


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Dec 04, 2005 11:45 |  #6

I use my AT-1 on rare occasions when I want to use a fisheye lense. My FD lense won't fit on my 300D. I use slide film and scan them.




  
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Dec 04, 2005 12:10 |  #7

I still shoot film. Mostly for fun my soul, and pretty much never on assignment, since in most cases, it just doesn't matter anymore, if I have photo or not when I get film back 1 or 2 after event. So I rather take another 1d then 1v for backup. But for myself I still shoot lot of Velvia. It's nothing nicer then watching slides on projector... no digital comes even near to this :)


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Dec 04, 2005 13:09 |  #8

I still shoot film on my EOS3 and on my Mamiya 645. I also shoot film in conditions where I wouldn't take my digital camera, such as on the river on a recent rafting trip. Although I shoot digital 98% of the time, I still enjoy shooting film - though I more likely to scan it and use the digital files to print rather than going into the darkroom.

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Dec 04, 2005 16:03 |  #9

1) Film doesn't crash
2) I don't screw up shots with film usually, so it's not that more expensive
3) Film captures more information. The tonal range is simply greater... which makes for better prints. Resolution I don't really care for
4) BW is fun and cheap, slide is good for projection. a 150/2.8 Schneider is nice


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Dec 04, 2005 21:51 as a reply to  @ DocFrankenstein's post |  #10

Film won't give you Error 99.

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Dec 04, 2005 22:06 as a reply to  @ DocFrankenstein's post |  #11

DocFrankenstein wrote:
1) Film doesn't crash
2) I don't screw up shots with film usually, so it's not that more expensive
3) Film captures more information. The tonal range is simply greater... which makes for better prints. Resolution I don't really care for
4) BW is fun and cheap, slide is good for projection. a 150/2.8 Schneider is nice

1) Film won't crash, but you can have a whole role ruined by a piece of grit in the light shield or by the lab making a mistake when developing. If you bring a whole batch of film from a trip they can ruin the whole batch.
2) If you screw up on digital but not on film that is your problem. The technique is identical for both.
3) I'll give you that one for black and white, but haven't found it to be true for colour photos.
4) Who want to bother setting up a screen and projector and turning off all the lights when all you have to do is stick a CD in the DVD player and watch the pictures on the TV that most people have in their homes. Have you ever seen a one of kind slide curl up disintigrate because it got too hot in the projector? You can't replace that.

As for Error 99, I have had my EOS 3 film camera seize up when the battery died and then had a real problem getting it going again when I put in a new battery. I have also had the drive sprockets on the film break in extremely cold weather so that the film would not advance properly.




  
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Dec 04, 2005 23:55 as a reply to  @ ScottE's post |  #12

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1) Film won't crash, but you can have a whole role ruined by a piece of grit in the light shield or by the lab making a mistake when developing. If you bring a whole batch of film from a trip they can ruin the whole batch.

There's going to be a scratch, but it won't magically disappear. Labs can screw up... but so can harddrives.

2) If you screw up on digital but not on film that is your problem. The technique is identical for both.

I meant to say that I don't screw up with film ANYMORE. I know how to meter, but only because I had the instant feedback of digital.

Had I started shooting with film from the very beginning, it would take me much longer.

3) I'll give you that one for black and white, but haven't found it to be true for colour photos.

I print myself. Maybe that's why...

But it takes a whole lot of time!

4) Who want to bother setting up a screen and projector and turning off all the lights when all you have to do is stick a CD in the DVD player and watch the pictures on the TV that most people have in their homes. Have you ever seen a one of kind slide curl up disintigrate because it got too hot in the projector? You can't replace that.

Well... for one, the resolution is not there, even with HDTV

And no, I haven't seen a slide curl up yet.

As for Error 99, I have had my EOS 3 film camera seize up when the battery died and then had a real problem getting it going again when I put in a new battery. I have also had the drive sprockets on the film break in extremely cold weather so that the film would not advance properly.

yeah, i wanted to mention that too.


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Dec 05, 2005 00:02 |  #13
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Film makes me slow down and enjoy the art of photography. The fast paced wonderment of digital is great, but sometimes I just need to take a deep breath and revel in the joys of film.



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Dec 05, 2005 03:40 |  #14

I was thinking about this again yesterday at our Christmas party. I started this thread partly because I'm new to digital. . .didn't really have an interest in it until my film dinosaur died and couldn't be repaired. I was frustrated by it initially, but am learning to really love digital.

At first glance, I thought I agreed with liza's comment. But on reflection, I don't think so. I shot 303 images last night, many of which were not keepers and only a few of which are outstanding. I think that's normal (ever look at the old film counts on National Geographic projects?). However, I'm getting more total keepers and more outstandings with digital, perhaps simply because I'm not worried about the film and processing costs. My ratios are likely the same, but I get more good photos now than I did with film. I'm shooting a karate tournament in January that I might have budgeted three rolls of film for last year. This year with my BG-E3 and a sled with 6 AA batteries for backup, plus a couple of CF cards, I may shoot six times that much. I'll throw away six times more, but I'll likely have six times more good shots. I'll slow down on macro or still life shots, but I doubt I'll enjoy it any more on film than digital. I think for me, film is simple nostalgia.

I've not noticed any gain in tonal range in film over digital, but I'm no expert. I'll defer to the experts that say there's really not much or no quality difference anymore. . .or that the edge has or soon will go to digital on that score. I had as many bad shots due to color balance or exposure on film as I do now on digital, but now it's easier to fix. Much easier. And I loved being able to go from AWB to tungsten available light and bouncing around the ISO ranges shot to shot last night at the party. Like changing film whenever I wanted, shot-to-shot. Remember those old photos of pro photographers with 2 or three bodies slung around them so they could shoot different film types? Seems laughable now. Almost like picturing someone with their head under a hood using flash powder. I do admit to being confused sometimes and losing track of what I'm doing. I shot a bunch last night accidentally using tungsten light balance with the flash and they all look bluish. But as I get more familiar with digital shooting and more mentally disciplined, I suspect I'll do less and less of that sort of goof. It's all part of me getting used to digital and internalizing some of the stuff I didn't think about with film. One might say that's a drawback due to complexity, but I think it's a positive. I have more immediate control in a shooting environment, and that's the benefit. The cost is having to think more. But I've found that using complex equipment or software becomes easier with time and experience. And no matter how much I gripe about having to get up the learning curve--I've never gone back and wished for less capable equipment or software once I learned the new stuff. Never.

I asked the question originally, because film bodies are ridiculously cheap now. Time was you could spend a couple grand on a Nikon F or Canon A1 with a couple lenses. May not seem like much now, but that was 30 years ago! Care to inflation adjust those numbers? Now I could pick up a film body without much thinking about it, budget-wise. But my guess is I won't. I expect digital to coninue to outpace developments in film technology by a bunch, and if I get another body, it will likely be an upgraded digital in a couple years, relegating my Digital Rebel XT to a backup body.

Next thing I need to tackle is post processing, which right now I find befuddles me. I'm looking for a quick correction for those tungsten WB shots I did with the built-in flash last night and I'll post over in that forum for some help. I tend to fiddle around too much not knowing what I'm doing, but I think I can find someone to give me a simple DPP fix for that I can apply in a batch.

Couldn't do that with film! After 2 months with a Digital Rebel XT, I'm no longer feeling nostalgic about film. Well. . .I do have fond memories about building my plywood sink and processing b&w in my basement when I was 13. But after being dragged into digital by my old camera's demise, I must say, I'm very happy here, all things considered. I think I came at about the right time, too. The technology I hold in my hands with that DR-XT and the 17-85 IS USM, for the price, is simply mind boggling to me. What a wonderful world!

Liza, you have fun! Me? I'm going to "take a deep breath and revel in the joys" of moving deeper into digital photography. It's a great world that gives us these choices, isn't it?

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Dec 05, 2005 10:54 |  #15

Almost like picturing someone with their head under a hood using flash powder.

funny you should say that, because I've seen a documetary on playboy and the guy was using a monorail camera... Granted no flash powder.

A big part of the reason I got into film was to just try it out and decide for myself what I like more. IMO the analogue characteristics of emulsion make the final print much better, but at the cost of more time and money. Few clients are willing to pay for that.


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