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robd54
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Apr 30, 2012 18:59 |  #1

Hi everyone, so my 3 year old has her first dance show this weekend and as a proud father I obviously want to capture the moment (and as a photographer can't get a better excuse to buy a new lens). I'm sure this will be the first of many kids events indoors (and out). This particular one will be in a school auditorium, dark, and probably poorly lit. My kit currently consists of a Sigma 30 1.4 (which I can use if i'm close enough, but doubt i will be), 17-55 2.8 IS, 10-22 (probably not useful here), and 70-300 IS (again, probably way to small of an aperture). I looked at maybe renting a 85 1.2L, but saw on the renting website if using for sports or motion the 85 1.8 would be better, and that i can easily afford. Body is a 7D. Would appreciate any suggestions!


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Apr 30, 2012 19:04 |  #2

The usual suspects for this type of thing are the 85/1.8, 100/2, 135/2 or a stabilized 70-200/2.8.

I haven't done dance yet but I am using my 85/1.8 for like swimming and I would like to add a 135/2 soon.


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Apr 30, 2012 19:07 |  #3

easy 70-20 F2.8II


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Apr 30, 2012 19:12 |  #4

What is your budget? Do you have any idea what FL you will need or the lighting?

The 85 1.8 would be the cheapest option, if you absolutely need the most light gathering ability. If not a 70-200 2.8 would be another choice. Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS or 70-200 2.8 IS II would be my recommendations.


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robd54
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Apr 30, 2012 19:16 |  #5

Budget is somewhat variable, not sure if I could swing the 70-200 2.8 IS MKII, but something like that would definitely be an investment. I just worry that 2.8 may not be fast enough. I'm sure lighting will be miserable, FL no idea. 85-100 range should cover a good variety of settings though.


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Apr 30, 2012 19:21 |  #6

Although, the sigma version may be doable, for 1K less than the Canon, how is the performance?


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Apr 30, 2012 19:29 |  #7

Since you don't know the circumstances it may be wise to consider getting both for this particular dance. You could either buy both, or buy one and rent the other.

I would suggest that you buy the Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS and either buy the 85 1.8 used, or rent it. You would then be prepared. I would much rather own a 70-200 2.8 over an 85 1.8 if I had to pick only one.

Be sure to read up on how to get clean high ISO shots. You could practice now and try to get familiar with using high ISO and getting clean images: https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1079217

If you absolutely must have the best, its the Canon 70-200 2.8 IS II. If not for most the Sigma will be fine. It is a little softer wide open at 2.8 than the canon. By F4 many say it is equal to the Canon. Many people say as a package you get 85-90% of what the canon offers and at a significantly cheaper cost. FYI - from the research I have done the Sigma is alsot better than the 70-200 2.8 IS I and equal to 70-200 F4 IS when stopped down to F4.

If you really want the IS II, consider purchasing it through the Canon Loyalty Program. If you purchase a camera body(which you can sell on the forums), you can get the lens for 20% off refurbished price($1,600 + tax). That is how I got mine. Personally if the lens was not available via CLP I would have went with the Sigma.


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Apr 30, 2012 22:02 |  #8

Have a great time!! Stop shooting sometimes and enjoy the moment.

It all depends how close you are to the stage. If you're on the first 5 rows, 17-55 is prefect. Middle of the pack, probably 85 1.8. But if you're stuck in the back, you'll need the 70-200 2.8.


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Apr 30, 2012 23:38 |  #9

I agree - if you are within about 15 feet and they have any stage lighting at all, the 17-55 is fine.


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Apr 30, 2012 23:41 |  #10
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70-200 2.8II + Monopod.

135L might work too.


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May 01, 2012 00:19 as a reply to  @ kin2son's post |  #11

I have a 17 year old daughter who is heavily into theater and choir and the performances usually take place on the same stage under similar low light conditions. The 70-200 2.8L IS Mk1 has been the best purchase I have ever made for this type of shooting. I used to just leave the 40D at home when all I had was the 28-135 F3.5-5.6 IS. Now I get great shots. My 6 year old girl just had her firs performance and the 70-200 also performed well at her show on my new 5Dc. Subject motion can still be an issue depending on what ISO you are able to use. I didn't usually go above 800 on the 40D but the 5Dc looks like it might be useable at 1600. The following shots were all most likely taken at F2.8 either for DOF, to attain high shutter speeds, or because of low light. They do not appear very sharp here because I let Facebook do its own resizing when I upload full res images.

Night of the Living Dead (40D ISO 800)

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Pride and Prejudice (40D ISO 800)
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It works great for other stuff too like Prom pics.
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And airshows.
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As you can see, I just can't say enough about the versatility of this lens, ESPECIALLY if you have kids. It's awesome on a cropper for good reach, great on a FF for general purpose telephoto, and VERY good for indoor events. Now that the Mk2 has been on the market a while, this Mk1 version can be had for a good price too and I find that my F2.8 images are plenty sharp. I almost always shoot at 2.8 too.



  
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May 01, 2012 00:21 |  #12

kin2son wrote in post #14357816 (external link)
135L might work too.

The 135mm 2.0L is quite long on a crop-sensor camera. If you are limited to being in one seat, you may find the focal length a poor match. If however you can move about, it focusses fast and accurately in low light (well regarded as an indoor sports lens).

The 70-200 2.8 would be a more useful general purpose telephoto lens, 1/2 stop slower, but more flexible if you are stuck in one spot.


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May 01, 2012 07:05 |  #13

My daughter started dance when she was 3... now she's 15 and dance is her passion. I primarily use a 135 2.0 for her performances. I stand in the back of the auditorium so I don't bother other people in the audience, and for me, the 135 is not too long on my crop body. However, I will say that it is not uncommon for me to shoot at 2.8 and I find with a little post-processing, I can pull up the images very nicely. So if you end up going for the 70-200 2.8, you will definitely be happy with your shots. For me, I love the 135 -- it is smaller, lighter, less obstrusive, though clearly not as "flexible" as the 70-200.

You mentioned the 85 1.8. It was my first lens purchase, and I love it. Very useful in small gyms/auditoriums, and if that is the price point you are looking at, you will be very happy with it.


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May 01, 2012 09:38 |  #14

This is exactly why I bought the 85 1.8. the only 3 lens you should consider would be:

85 1.8
135L f2
70-200 2.8 (pick your version)

I'm lucky to have two out of 3. I find that 2.8 is not fast enough alot of times so the 85 gets put to use alot more but the zoom is more versatile.

Most of the time I'm standing in the back and find that 135 is where I spend alot of time so I will be picking up a 135 f2 when funds can afford it. Another stop when you are pushing ISO/shutter to the max makes a big difference.


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May 01, 2012 09:53 |  #15

rent the 70-200 2.8, give it a test drive.




  
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