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May 01, 2012 06:12 |  #1

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Looking at purchasing my full frame dslr tomorrow. Have a 5dmk2 on hold to pickup in the morning. Was chatting with a local photographer and he says to me not to bother buying it as I won't notice any difference nor increase in quality compared to my existing 60D.

I told him of the significant differences and he said to just buy another crop sensor camera as a second body.


Is he just disarming the potential competition (me) by saying this or otherwise?

Now he has created a level of doubt.

Technically I am his competition here in the city and so I wonder if he is just saying it on purpose out of spite?




  
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May 01, 2012 06:15 |  #2

difference? yes. significant? no.

i doubt your clients will see the difference.


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May 01, 2012 06:19 |  #3

In that case why bother with 5dmk2 ff camera?

I am under the impression I am getting a much better quality image as opposed to crop sensor?

I should be asking then, judging from your reply,

Give me reasons why I should go with a full frame camera. Why did you? Why didn't you just use a crop if there won't be a noticeable difference?




  
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May 01, 2012 06:21 |  #4

I am under the idea that I want better image quality as opposed to my crop




  
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May 01, 2012 06:31 |  #5

Great Light and Interesting subjects make superior images...

Nearly anything shot at Noon in direct sun will look like dreck regardless of the camera used.

FF allows for two inherent differences (all things being equal)
- Wider field of view
- Shallower depth of field

FF does not instantly create magical images. The six inches behind the viewfinder does that.


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May 01, 2012 06:33 |  #6

What is your primary photo objects?


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May 01, 2012 06:33 |  #7

first of all crop sensors are great for zoom photography like sports and wild life photography why because for example the T3i have x1.6 sensor it means if you use a lens lets say a 70-200mm and you put it on its maximum zoom ( 200mm ) it will delivers to you 320mm ( 200mm X 1.6 =320mm )

for full frames cameras are better in landscape photography because if you use a wide angle lens it will gives you a wide angle like the 17-40mm the 17mm will gives you exactly 17mm on FF camera but if you put it on a crop camera and you put the lens on 17mm it will gives you 27.2mm and that's is not good for landscape photography, so depends on your needs really you can choose what to get.

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May 01, 2012 06:43 |  #8

M.Haidar wrote in post #14358943 (external link)
for full frames cameras are better in landscape photography because if you use a wide angle lens it will gives you a wide angle like the 17-40mm the 17mm will gives you exactly 17mm on FF camera but if you put it on a crop camera and you put the lens on 17mm it will gives you 27.2mm and that's is not good for landscape photography

Or you could stick a 10mm lens on your crop camera. The resulting 16mm equivalent would, using this argument, make it better than the FF for landscapes.


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May 01, 2012 06:49 |  #9

I would like a second camera as a backup body when on jobs.

I thought about getting another 60D but thought of going ff as main body and keeping crop as backup.

I am involved in event photography and commercial head shots, awards nights etc. The wildlife component of my work is purely personal but event work is my main objective.

I just have a great chance of getting a second body and want ot make it a right decision.




  
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May 01, 2012 07:04 as a reply to  @ snapshot2011's post |  #10

You will love the 5D2 for your work, and will notice the difference.


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May 01, 2012 07:08 |  #11

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #14358936 (external link)
Great Light and Interesting subjects make superior images...

Nearly anything shot at Noon in direct sun will look like dreck regardless of the camera used.

FF allows for two inherent differences (all things being equal)
- Wider field of view
- Shallower depth of field

FF does not instantly create magical images. The six inches behind the viewfinder does that.


I always enjoy seeing what you have to say.

Keep it up, I had a quick look at your website, great work.




  
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May 01, 2012 07:10 |  #12

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #14358936 (external link)
Great Light and Interesting subjects make superior images...

Nearly anything shot at Noon in direct sun will look like dreck regardless of the camera used.

FF allows for two inherent differences (all things being equal)
- Wider field of view
- Shallower depth of field

FF does not instantly create magical images. The six inches behind the viewfinder does that.

So Jay your saying there is no apparent increase in image quality?




  
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May 01, 2012 07:11 |  #13

M.Haidar wrote in post #14358943 (external link)
first of all crop sensors are great for zoom photography like sports and wild life photography why because for example the T3i have x1.6 sensor it means if you use a lens lets say a 70-200mm and you put it on its maximum zoom ( 200mm ) it will delivers to you 320mm ( 200mm X 1.6 =320mm )

for full frames cameras are better in landscape photography because if you use a wide angle lens it will gives you a wide angle like the 17-40mm the 17mm will gives you exactly 17mm on FF camera but if you put it on a crop camera and you put the lens on 17mm it will gives you 27.2mm and that's is not good for landscape photography, so depends on your needs really you can choose what to get.

For the newbies reading this thread:

Forget all of the above quote about "crop factor" issues. The "facts" are total fiction.

The focal length of a lens does not change at all when you put it on different format cameras. Only the field (angle) of view changes. A 70-200mm lens will always be a 70-200, regardless of the camera it is screwed onto.

Also forget the concept that the only focal length range suitable for "landscape" photography is ultra-wide-angle. Most of the experienced photographers I know use all the lenses in their bag for "landscape" photography (including the longest focal lengths), depending on what they are trying to produce with the scene in front of them.

For the OP: In my opinion, unless your photography style involves using very short depth of field, a "full-frame" format camera probably won't be different enough to make any noticeable difference in your images.


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May 01, 2012 07:13 as a reply to  @ Old Baldy's post |  #14

This reminds me of what Scott Bourne always says... 99% of lenses are better than 99% of photographers.

In skilled hands, both crop cameras and FF cameras will produce beautiful images that will make your clients (and your mother) very happy. Will you get better quality images with a FF camera? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on your definition of quality and your ability to produce it.

For me, the main advantage of FF is getting the true focal lengths out of your lenses. Being able to shoot wide. If that doesn't matter to you, or if you only shoot portraits, then I don't think it matters too much.

All that said, I absolutely prefer my 5D2 to my 7D in every way. The only time I'd choose the 7D over the 5D2 is if I needed extra focal length.


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May 01, 2012 07:17 |  #15

I've been using nothing but 1 series bodies and picked up a 5DMIII a few weeks ago. The difference is sutle at best. If you are hoping for some huge improvement like so many, full frame vs crop, threads you will be sorely disappointed.


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