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May 10, 2012 10:36 |  #1

Hi guys,

I've got a question about my MBP and how fast it should be.
I got a 5Dc yesterday and am really happy about it, but it takes so long to load the pics when in LR. If I click on a photo and zoom in to 1:1 it takes about 3-5 seconds to load everything. I'm running LR4 on a mid-2010 MBP with 8GB of RAM.
I've got 30GB free space.

EDIT: Would this have anything to do with my HD's read speeds? Or is this about my video card just sucking?

Shouldn't it be running faster? Or is it because the 5Dc's file are much larger and heavier to process than the 40D I used to shoot with?

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May 10, 2012 13:38 |  #2

Upgrading the HDD to a 7200 RPM, like a Western Digital Black 2.5" drive will make it better. Or even better a large SSD drive. But I would never expect that laptop to be amazingly responsive. It wasnt when I had it and it was brand new. I never like doing editing on laptops as to me they are never as fast as my desktops.


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May 10, 2012 13:53 |  #3

Was that the last of the Core 2 Duo or the first gen i5/i7 series?


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May 10, 2012 14:34 |  #4

Tony-S wrote in post #14411511 (external link)
Was that the last of the Core 2 Duo or the first gen i5/i7 series?

IIRC the i cores came out in 2011, so this is most likely a C2D.


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May 10, 2012 15:38 |  #5

That would probably explain it. Lightroom is cpu-dependent and the Core 2 Duo architecture is quite old.


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May 10, 2012 15:46 |  #6

LR does not care about your graphics card, it is not a big ram user, I've never seen it use more than 4GB, it does like having access to more than one hard drive and it need a fast multi core CPU.

Your Mac Book has more than enough ram, but is limited by its only having one hard drive, and handicapped by its now very out dated mobile Core 2 Duo.

LR does a lot of reading and writing from your hard drive, especially while generating image previews. It has to read the image file and generate a separate preview file at the same time and you can't read and write from the same drive at the same time.
Putting the preview cache on a separate internal or SATA connected drive speeds this process up.
If you only have the 5400rpm drive, then a new 7200rpm drive would make a small improvement.

LRs biggest demand however is on the CPU. The bigger the files (the more resolution and bit depth) you ask it to handle, the faster the CPU it will need, and quite simply the 6yr old CPU in your Macbook is not up to the task.
It is also the one thing you can't do anything about, short of replacing the whole laptop.


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May 10, 2012 15:58 |  #7

OP might try Aperture's trial. Some of the MBP have decent graphics cards and there'd probably be a benefit, particularly if the computer is running Snow Leopard or Lion.


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May 11, 2012 04:01 |  #8

Hmmm... well that sucks. I really bought this laptop 2 years ago because I figured it would be a good investment and worth the difference with some crappy laptop (which it is of course) and I thought I'd be having this laptop for several years, but now I'm not so sure anymore. Of course waiting a few seconds shouldn't be a reason to buy a new laptop but I'm just scared that in a year or two
I will want a new one and then this one isn't worth anything anymore. Now I could probably get 600€ for it more or less... In two years nowhere near that... :(

EDIT: How big of a difference would make an SSD in my optical drive to read files from?

EDIT: I've been doing some diggin' around and have come to the conclusion that I could sell my MBP for about 550€. Mine is a bit scuffed up and has a dent in it so that's why. I could buy a second-hand 15" with i5 for about 850€. How big of a difference would it make? The dedicated memory card and i5 processor should be pretty substantial differences, no? I don't need it to be ultra fast, but just that little bit more would be awesome. That little bit more for everything.
Last thing: should I wait for the new MBP's to be released (they're coming soon)? I can imagine people dumping their old laptops, which would mean both mine and theirs would decrease in value...


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May 11, 2012 04:43 |  #9

TijmenDal wrote in post #14414805 (external link)
EDIT: How big of a difference would make an SSD in my optical drive to read files from?


Some, but not a lot. Might see 10-20% improvement in performance on some processes.
It won't have any effect on edit render times though.


You can't buy a computer as an investment, laptops especially.
I've found they generally have a 3 year life span, and I budget to replace them that often.
If I get 4 years out of one I'm amazed.

The technology is still changing and advancing, and as the hardware gets better, the software gets more complex and demands better hardware.
In the photography world you have the added complication of our camera's producing ever larger files sizes.
My first camera produced 1MB files that made my computer of the time work hard, my current camera produces 30mb files and makes my current computer work hard.
And that camera has now been made obsolete and the computer is 1 generation behind in technology.


Along with the advances in technology there are often gaps in the currently available technology, the advances don't occur at a nice linear rate.
Your current Mac is built around the Intel Core 2 processor.
These were made for quite a long time, over which only small improvements were made in their performance.
However there was always a big difference between the desktop and mobile versions, the desktop versions were considerably faster.
My last computer was built on this technology, and despite being a year older than your Mac Book would run rings around it in terms of performance.
My current laptop, despite being very average, runs rings around my last desktop. My current desktop runs ring around that.

The current generation of Intel processors is called Core i3, i5 and i7, and they took a huge set up in performance over the Core 2.
There was fundamental change made in how they worked that lead to massive gains in performance.
It also leveled the differences between the mobile and desktop versions.
While the desktop versions are faster, the difference is not that great.


So how does all this useless info help?
Well if you do decide you need a new computer, consider the following:
Intel Core 2 has been around since 2006 and Core i(3,5,7) has been around since 2010.
But, some manufacturers are faster than others to take on each new processor from Intel.
Apple is one of the slowest, they kept selling the Core 2 based computers for nearly 12 months after other manufacturers had taken on Core i(3,5,7).

But, if you assume a 4-5 year life cycle from Intel it also means that we are about half way through before there will be another big leap in technology and performance.
So while 2010 was not a good year to buy a laptop with out really understanding the hardware differences, 2012 is a good year as all the major brands are producing laptops and computers with current generation processors.
In theory you should get around 3-4 years out of it and then be ready for the next leap in technology.


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May 11, 2012 08:41 |  #10

So do you say I should wait two years for the new cycle? Because I don't really want to buy a whole new laptop in two years and discontinue my current one. I just need a little more horsepower than I have now and I reckon the laptops that'll come out in two years will be complete overkill for what I have now.


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May 11, 2012 08:53 |  #11

TijmenDal wrote in post #14414805 (external link)
EDIT: How big of a difference would make an SSD in my optical drive to read files from?

Replacing the hard drive in a Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro isn't the easiest thing to do. Unless you're prepared to spend 30 minutes opening it up, I suggest not doing it.

Last thing: should I wait for the new MBP's to be released (they're coming soon)? I can imagine people dumping their old laptops, which would mean both mine and theirs would decrease in value...

That's something to think about. Even the HD3000 gpus of the Sandy Bridge chipset, used by the current MacBook Pros, is very good. The current entry-level MacBook Pro is the functional equivalent of my Mac Mini and Aperture renders my 5Dii raw files in near real-time. The Ivy Bridge's HD4000 is supposed to be twice as fast, so when those come to the next generation of the MacBook Pro it should be nearly perfect. Also, the current MacBook Pros are easy to open for hard drive/SSD replacement.


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May 11, 2012 11:17 |  #12

TijmenDal wrote in post #14415368 (external link)
So do you say I should wait two years for the new cycle? Because I don't really want to buy a whole new laptop in two years and discontinue my current one. I just need a little more horsepower than I have now and I reckon the laptops that'll come out in two years will be complete overkill for what I have now.

I buy a new MacBook Pro every year. They hold their resale value very well and Amazon always sells them less than retail and no tax or shipping for most. It typically costs me around $200 a year to always rock the latest and always be covered under the one year warranty. And with Time Machine migrating over to the new laptop is SUPER simple!


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May 11, 2012 12:15 |  #13

ben_r_ wrote in post #14416070 (external link)
I buy a new MacBook Pro every year. They hold their resale value very well and Amazon always sells them less than retail and no tax or shipping for most. It typically costs me around $200 a year to always rock the latest and always be covered under the one year warranty. And with Time Machine migrating over to the new laptop is SUPER simple!

Wow. Never really thought about that. 0.50$/day to have a kick-ass computer doesn't sound to bad. I think I want to change to a 15" though (not 100% sure). Thinking of buying the mid-2010 15" with i5 processor. That way I have the much faster/better processor but won't have to spend too much. I can upgrade for around 300€.


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May 11, 2012 13:24 |  #14

TijmenDal wrote in post #14416341 (external link)
Wow. Never really thought about that. 0.50$/day to have a kick-ass computer doesn't sound to bad. I think I want to change to a 15" though (not 100% sure). Thinking of buying the mid-2010 15" with i5 processor. That way I have the much faster/better processor but won't have to spend too much. I can upgrade for around 300€.

Yea, I think you might lose a bit more (ie cost you a bit more per year) to rock one of the more expensive models. I always buy the 13" as I hate large laptops, but yes, since Apples hold their value to well its pretty easy to do and IMO the best way to go about it. Never have to buy AppleCare either.


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May 11, 2012 14:06 |  #15

I have a mid 2010 15" MacBook Pro I7 2.8Ghz 8GB RAM. I just installed a Crucial M4 512 GB SSD. I have no performance issues with LR4 or CS5.




  
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