Leica Announces M-Monochrom

it'll sell, if for no other reason than it's got "Leica" on it.

RobDickinson wrote in post #14413296
They have an M9 for $50,000 if you want one ?

A B&W sensor ditches the bayer and AA filters will have 3 times more light and a lot more resolution plus better noise grain. But it may not give the best B&W conversion you could get with a colour shot, may need filters for that!

I read ' BMW ' as opposed to B&W

airfrogusmc wrote in post #14415123
No problem spending 8K on a IDsMkIII and in 4 years it ain't worth half what you paid. Have you seen the prices for 4 year old M8s? Theres still a waiting list at Calumet for M9s.

Leica must be doing something right.

There are a lot of photographers that prefer an all manual range finder camera. They prefer to find the moment instead of machine gunning their way through it. For the very reason some don't think an M9 is worth it, those are the very reasons that some photographers are flocking to it.

This is just another example of Leicas commitment to their customers.

Look at my gear list lol. $7.2k for a 50 f/2 is insanity... sorry. I wouldnt buy a 1DsMKIII either. If im spending that money im going medium format... nuff said. I love leica, but some of their marketing decisions are just plain retarded. 230K screen still... today... come on leica. Hermes edition M7 was $15k and the a digital M9 version is $50k? Crack smoking germans lol.

Shadowblade wrote in post #14414844
With a monochrome sensor, you need to use colour filters at the time of shooting (there goes your ISO and resolution advantage already)

Yeah the other issue is if one wants to be "different" the price is up there in pentax 645d territory (or some used backs in the high 30mp range).

As for the lens (the 50mm), also incredibly silly price, no way do the mtfs justify it either. There's no way the construction and glass cost as much as this thing: with its omg lol 5 calcium fouride elements (yet even that thing isn't near the price of that leica 50)

I have no doubt they'll sell some of them, though, and hey, if there is demand then good for them for making money off the people who want their stuff.

the other thing is the DPReview samples kinda stink... I dont find many of the photos to be any good, much less interesting...

A couple show that yeah, maybe the camera is good, but im not really seeing anything you couldnt do with an M9 or a D800/5D Mark III...

I do genuinely like that Leica tries to do some things different, and if i remember right one of their executives said they raised their prices and keep their stuff expensive so that their quality control can stay really high, They dont -want- to be a volume seller, they just want to make what they want to make

Like I said the reason those that pick Leica are those that pick Leica for all the reason you want Canon. Theres nothing in the Canon wide angle stable that comes close to The likes of the 21 1.4 summilux, the 24 1.4 summilux or the sharpest 35mm lens you can by period the 35 1.4 summilux.

KenjiS wrote in post #14416567
the other thing is the DPReview samples kinda stink... I dont find many of the photos to be any good, much less interesting...

A couple show that yeah, maybe the camera is good, but im not really seeing anything you couldnt do with an M9 or a D800/5D Mark III...

I do genuinely like that Leica tries to do some things different, and if i remember right one of their executives said they raised their prices and keep their stuff expensive so that their quality control can stay really high, They dont -want- to be a volume seller, they just want to make what they want to make

Their quality control isnt that great to be honest. Their digital cameras have problems, glass in front of sensor cracks, Vertical lines on sensors, rf misalignment, SD card compatibility problems, shutter breaking, lenses unscrewing themselves. They went luxury so they are pricing it as such to keep the brand a high luxury item... simple as that.

J_TULLAR wrote in post #14416744
Their quality control isnt that great to be honest. Their digital cameras have problems, glass in front of sensor cracks, Vertical lines on sensors, rf misalignment, SD card compatibility problems, shutter breaking, lenses unscrewing themselves. They went luxury so they are pricing it as such to keep the brand a high luxury item... simple as that.

Read some real stuff.
http://lavidaleica.com​/content/why-buy-leica
A Canon lover
http://www.canonrumors​.com …ica-m9-experience-review/

airfrogusmc wrote in post #14416776
Read some real stuff.
http://lavidaleica.com​/content/why-buy-leica
A Canon lover
http://www.canonrumors​.com …ica-m9-experience-review/

Why are you convincing me of Leica's? I own some LOL. Yea I know of Double Negatives recent blog lol. Im on the rangefinder forum as well. I read steve huff, thorsten overgaards blog and many more lol. You dont need to convince me of why I like leica, but im not blind to the fact that leica digital is having problems and that they are out pricing their own followers.

J_TULLAR wrote in post #14415671
Look at my gear list lol. $7.2k for a 50 f/2 is insanity... sorry. I wouldnt buy a 1DsMKIII either. If im spending that money im going medium format... nuff said. I love leica, but some of their marketing decisions are just plain retarded. 230K screen still... today... come on leica. Hermes edition M7 was $15k and the a digital M9 version is $50k? Crack smoking germans lol.

What you should think about is here is a camera company that so respected their photographers that they designed a body that can use those amazing 40 year old lenses on and BTW some of those 40 year old Leica lenses are sharper than most of the glass in the current Canon and Nikon line up.

Theres a real reason why Leica M hold its resale value. Have ya seen what 1DsMkII of 5Dc are selling for

J_TULLAR wrote in post #14416810
Why are you convincing me of Leica's? I own some LOL. Yea I know of Double Negatives recent blog lol. Im on the rangefinder forum as well. I read steve huff, thorsten overgaards blog and many more lol. You dont need to convince me of why I like leica, but im not blind to the fact that leica digital is having problems and that they are out pricing their own followers.

Canons F-1s when new sold for what $500 for the body and Leica Ms were going for $1500 The F-1 was the high end Canon pro camera at the time so the M at the was 3 times more Now compared to Canons high end pro camera the 1DsMkIII the Leica is about the same price so in that context the Leica has actually not gone up as much as the Canon.

airfrogusmc wrote in post #14416811
What you should think about is here is a camera company that so respected their photographers that they designed a body that can use those amazing 40 year old lenses on and BTW some of those 40 year old Leica lenses are sharper than most of the glass in the current Canon and Nikon line up.

Theres a real reason why Leica M hold its resale value. Have ya seen what 1DsMkII of 5Dc are selling for

Well due to the recent popularity of leica's used prices have jumped to insane amounts. Six years ago that wasnt the case and you could pick up a NOCTILUX for $4000, or 50 1.4 e43 for $1500. Supply and demand for the used market is whats driving prices up, also Leica supplying less lenses so you have to be on a 6-8 month waiting list to get a new lens. They are driving prices up. BTW you can buy a M8 for $1800 bucks and a M9 for $4500 seen it! Cameras will drop in price, lenses always hold more value. Look at prices on R lenses and cameras ROFL!

airfrogusmc wrote in post #14416838
Canons F-1s when new sold for what $500 for the body and Leica Ms were going for $1500 The F-1 was the high end Canon pro camera at the time so the M at the was 3 times more Now compared to Canons high end pro camera the 1DsMkIII the Leica is about the same price so in that context the Leica has actually not gone up as much as the Canon.

Okay are you trying to actually take pictures with your M's or are you the collector thats just trying to make money keeping it in a safe ROFL.

J_TULLAR wrote in post #14416857
Okay are you trying to actually take pictures with your M's or are you the collector thats just trying to make money keeping it in a safe ROFL.

The only reason for me to own a camera is to take pictures. Just makes the sting a bit easier when you need to sell if the price hasn't dropped by 2/3rds in fact Leica M you might not loose much at all on why because they are worth it. The M9 has been out fro a couple of years now and theres still a waiting list at Calumet.

airfrogusmc wrote in post #14416991
The only reason for me to own a camera is to take pictures. Just makes the sting a bit easier when you need to sell if the price hasn't dropped by 2/3rds in fact Leica M you might not loose much at all on why because they are worth it. The M9 has been out fro a couple of years now and theres still a waiting list at Calumet.

Okay so its unavailable at one store... its available at photovillage, dale photo digital, tamarkin, popflash, amazon, B&H, Adorama, and various leica boutiques... not so rare anymore bud lol. I love Leica, but im not gonna blindly drink the overpriced marketing kool aid that they are pushing. Look at rangefinder forums... they are pissed at leica's constant ridiculous price increases. If the M-9 is a indicator, the M-10 will be the same camera with 24mp ccd a 1/2 stop iso increase 230k lcd and for 15K dollars ROFL. INSANITY!