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May 14, 2012 18:56 |  #1

What is photography?? Is it being good at getting what you want others to see or has it evolved into being good at photoshop?
I see far to often that it has evolved into being good at photoshop.I guess the whole concept of photography changed with the advent of digital manipulation:(.
Call me old school but I see so many people with budget gear that will "magically" transform a ordinary shot with some photoshop effects into something others will proclaim professional.BTW I rarely use photoshop.


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May 14, 2012 19:07 |  #2

Using software for post-processing is essentially doing the very same thing that used to be done in the darkroom. Except for the methods, there is really little difference. We did cropping, contrast and color enhancement, burning, dodging, and even retouching when working with film and wet printing.

The most significant difference in photography from 40 years ago to now is that more people can afford to do today what was overly expensive or simply impractical 40 years ago. One had to build and outfit a darkroom, buy and work with the film, paper, and chemistry, and spend tons of time learning how to achieve the desired results. Today, it's done with the same computers that we use for so much else and the primary expense for most photographers is simply for a software package.


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May 14, 2012 19:12 as a reply to  @ SkipD's post |  #3

1. Post processing has been an integral part of photography since photography's inception.

2. Avoiding post processing is essentially impossible; shooting JPEG and setting parameters in camera is philosophically no purer than setting them in Photoshop (or similar software).

3. Most importantly: If a photograph looks good, it doesn't make a difference how it got that way. Yes, we can appreciate craftsmanship and such, but that's a separate appreciation.


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May 14, 2012 19:14 |  #4

canon rookie wrote in post #14431779 (external link)
What is photography?? Is it being good at getting what you want others to see or has it evolved into being good at photoshop?
I see far to often that it has evolved into being good at photoshop.I guess the whole concept of photography changed with the advent of digital manipulation:(.
Call me old school but I see so many people with budget gear that will "magically" transform a ordinary shot with some photoshop effects into something others will proclaim professional.BTW I rarely use photoshop.

You have no links to any of your photography yet you call out the entire industry?

Sorry but I find such arguments moot without any willingness to share your own efforts.


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May 14, 2012 19:24 |  #5

canon rookie wrote in post #14431779 (external link)
Call me old school

No, just naive. Three very good posts have already been made highlighting why.

Don't sweat it. Lots of us used to think like that. Do some research. You'll be surprised.


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May 14, 2012 19:34 |  #6
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Photography is a tool. A photo is your subjective interpretation of a scene...by using various means (colors, compositions, and etc).


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May 14, 2012 19:35 |  #7

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...Lots of us used to think like that...

Very true! My first digital camera was the G3 (still a great little camera). I read that using raw was best, so that's what I did. However, I noticed that the images looked softer than did their JPEG counterparts. Still, I refused to use software sharpening---that would be cheating, right?

It would actually be a couple years later that I learned about raw, or for that matter, focal length, ISO, f-stop, and other fundamentals.


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May 14, 2012 19:49 |  #8

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You have no links to any of your photography yet you call out the entire industry?

Sorry but I find such arguments moot without any willingness to share your own efforts.

I really wasn't calling anybody out Jay or ripping anybodys photography(especially yours).
My point was that I see alot of young camera geeks snapping what I would consider average pictures but throw some photoshop "effects" on it and their audience WOW's over their photography skills.
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May 14, 2012 20:01 |  #9
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canon rookie wrote in post #14432031 (external link)
I really wasn't calling anybody out Jay or ripping anybodys photography(especially yours).
My point was that I see alot of young camera geeks snapping what I would consider average pictures but throw some photoshop "effects" on it and their audience WOW's over their photography skills.
BTW I've posted quite a few shots on the forum.
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A face palmed moment....:) Why do newbies romanticize about the craft of photography without knowing anything about photography first??? FYI, your shots have no pops in them, and a bit underexposed.


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May 14, 2012 20:18 as a reply to  @ TooManyShots's post |  #10
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You may regret making this thread.....I am very straight forward, as you can see. :) Let's look at your track photos here. http://www.facebook.co​m …80.164114290272​184&type=3 (external link)

You are certainly not under gear considering you are shooting with a 7d and L lenses. Why your outdoor shots in the track have no pops in them??? All colors have the same greyish tone. Let me guess, you are also a natural light photographer. Even during a cloudy day you would refuse to use strobes...because that's just inherently superficial...just like photoshop...:cool:

Am I supposed to go wow and impressed by your photos just because they don't standout....and you don't post process your photos???


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May 14, 2012 20:30 |  #11

It might be better to educate than to pile on and criticize his work. He's been on here for 4 years.


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May 14, 2012 20:32 |  #12

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You may regret making this thread.....I am very straight forward, as you can see. :) Let's look at your track photos here. http://www.facebook.co​m …80.164114290272​184&type=3 (external link)

You are certainly not under gear considering you are shooting with a 7d and L lenses. Why your outdoor shots in the track have no pops in them??? All colors have the same greyish tone. Let me guess, you are also a natural light photographer. Even during a cloudy day you would refuse to use strobes...because that's just inherently superficial...just like photoshop...:cool:

Am I supposed to go wow and impressed by your photos just because they don't standout....and you don't post process your photos???

No regret at all toomanyshots-Reread my post,I wasn't at all bragging my own shots.I was simply commenting on all the photoshop enhancing in today's photography.
Useing strobes at a track meet-you obviously aren't a sports photog.
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canon rookie wrote in post #14432209 (external link)
No regret at all toomanyshots-Reread my post,I wasn't at all bragging my own shots.I was simply commenting on all the photoshop enhancing in today's photography.
Useing strobes at a track meet-you obviously aren't a sports photog.
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Really? Not a sport photog? See my signature...:) Yeah, you will go far..:) Now, you are a self righteous photography newbie who knows it all.


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May 14, 2012 20:48 as a reply to  @ TooManyShots's post |  #14

canon rookie wrote in post #14432031 (external link)
My point was that I see alot of young camera geeks snapping what I would consider average pictures but throw some photoshop "effects" on it and their audience WOW's over their photography skills.

Why didn't you just say that?

Instead, you wrote;

canon rookie wrote in post #14431779 (external link)
the whole concept of photography changed with the advent of digital manipulation:(.

which just isn't true. More accessible? Yes.

TooManyShots wrote in post #14432059 (external link)
Why do newbies romanticize about the craft of photography without knowing anything about photography first

Errr...the OP has been around here longer than you. Just sayin. ;)


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May 14, 2012 20:51 |  #15

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self righteous

Easy with the name calling TMS . We haven't forgotten the big glass house that is the thread about your sister just yet! ;)


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