Unfair Airshow T&C's?

Hey Guys,

Over here in Perth we have a RAAF airshow this coming weekend (The last was back on 2005) and reading though the T&C's here (You may have to click Conditions of Entry) the following section stood out:

To me it reads that any images that you take and if you upload them online to share your effectively signing over the copyright to your images.

That doesn't seem like a reasonable clause, to me.

What are people's thought's on this? And are other airshows like this?

Sounds like the rules they have at zoos where you can't use the images in a commercial way...but I have never seen that at an air show.

The clause seems to be fair and not unreasonable, did you plan on selling images taken at the airshow? If you had no intention of selling the images you are good to go IMO If you were planning to make a profit they want their fair share. If you don't shoot with-in the airfields boundary I don't think they have any say but once again this is MY opinion.

Jensgt wrote in post #14439585
Sounds like the rules they have at zoos where you can't use the images in a commercial way...but I have never seen that at an air show.

I can understand about commercial purposes but 13.2b sort of sounds like even if you share them online like here for example you sign away your copyright to them.

Joe Ravenstein wrote in post #14439681
The clause seems to be fair and not unreasonable, did you plan on selling images taken at the airshow? If you had no intention of selling the images you are good to go IMO If you were planning to make a profit they want their fair share. If you don't shoot with-in the airfields boundary I don't think they have any say but once again this is MY opinion.

I had no plans on selling any images, but it sounds like I can't even "display" and share my images with people.

whereswally? wrote in post #14439774
I can understand about commercial purposes but 13.2b sort of sounds like even if you share them online like here for example you sign away your copyright to them.


I had no plans on selling any images, but it sounds like I can't even "display" and share my images with people.

(b) if a person makes, creates, records,...
Looks to me that all you have to do is take a shot. I don't know your laws, but I wish them a lot of luck enforcing that.

It's funny this should pop up as I'm going both Sat and Sun with all my kit and I had read these T's & C's with some concern when booking the tickets. Clearly, this is not limited to those that go on to make money from any images, but is a "catch all" that snares any image taken that isn't just used for personal pleasure (so includes even showing any images that could appear on this very forum post the event).

I like to think that these T's & C's are just a bid to cover all eventualities, say, in instances where some guy jumps a fence at the end of the runway and starts firing off captures (which security could then relieve him of) etc.

I do understand that if someone makes money from images taken at the event the organisers would want their share of proceeds - I'm not intending to use any images commercially, incidentally - but to merely show one's photos on, say, a forum, resulting in possible loss of ownership of said images, I would be shocked if they enforce things to that degree should they happen on said images. Time will tell, of course, but, yeah, as said, I prefer to think that they just want to have themselves covered totally should they have issues later with image uses that they feel are, or could be, at their detriment. (if this makes sense).

Aside from this, very much looking forward to the show and, who know, we may happen upon each other (sending you a PM, btw).

I'd pass on this show...

Merely showing up is by no means grounds for a work for hire arrangement.

If they gave an airshow and nobody came, would they notice?

Ha, post your pictures here and let's see what happens. They are treating the airshow like a Broadway performance.

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #14443655
I'd pass on this show...
Merely showing up is by no means grounds for a work for hire arrangement.
If they gave an airshow and nobody came, would they notice?

lol, Jay, I think they just might. Fact is, I moved from the UK where I attended RIAT each year and in Western Aus airshows are pretty thin on the ground, so I cannot pass up the opportunity to get a good dose of jet noise and give my gear a much needed airshow workout.

Out of interest, I have seen terms like this at other venues here, at a speedway, for example, where the terms are just like this.

ChunkyDA wrote in post #14443667
Ha, post your pictures here and let's see what happens. They are treating the airshow like a Broadway performance.

This is entirely possible, Dave. I like to think I'll get a few worth looking at, lol.

PhotosGuy wrote in post #14440093
I wish them a lot of luck enforcing that.

Yeah trying to enforce that on 100,000's of images would be a little difficult.

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #14443655
I'd pass on this show...

Merely showing up is by no means grounds for a work for hire arrangement.

If they gave an airshow and nobody came, would they notice?

I don't think lack of attendance will be an issue, they are expecting over 40,000 spectators (Perth never gets anything cool, apart from the Red Bull Air Race)

As a side note I notice that the military aircraft are set to start displaying from midday, at which point the sun starts slipping to back light the aircraft, which will thus fall into increasing shadow as they display. Hopefully I can dial in enough EC to combat this without impacting too much on the sky (it's set to be a sunny day, so light will be harsh).

Still very much looking forward to it, oc.

Andrew Tingle wrote in post #14448780
Hopefully I can dial in enough EC to combat this without impacting too much on the sky (it's set to be a sunny day, so light will be harsh).

"Enough" might be too much? I'd try about 1/2 as much to just retain shadow detail & not blow out the sky.

Over here, at least for the military birds, this would not be possible to enforce. We own the aircraft. So did you get any good shots?

PhotosGuy wrote in post #14454938
"Enough" might be too much? I'd try about 1/2 as much to just retain shadow detail & not blow out the sky.

Thanks PhotosGuy - as the light was so differing depending on whether aircraft were passing either left to right or right to left (in major shadow or pointing at the sun, which rested pretty much in line yet back from the runway) I made the call to shoot M on the day as I found this easier to tweak as I went along.

I do also have a ticket for today, Sun, but have decided to not go (which is a shocker, for me, but I don't think I could work any better with the light than I have on Sat).

ChunkyDA wrote in post #14456494
Over here, at least for the military birds, this would not be possible to enforce. We own the aircraft. So did you get any good shots?

I did indeed and I will post up some samples hopefully today or tomorrow.