60D Noise - Is this normal?

Exif:
ISO 1250
Shutter 1/80
Aperture f/5

Even at 800 is get noise like this. I thought 3200 should still be usable!

This is 1/4 of a frame.

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Can we see the whole frame please?

Would like to see your overall exposure. You're a little oversized here too. Need to limit your long side to 1024...

There's the whole frame, 1024. Can't see much at this size.

Here's a closeup of the arm at the top.

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Underexposed. It will kill you with the 60D and 7D. Are you shooting RAW? If so, increase you exposure by at least 1/3 and even 2/3 stops and bring it back down in post.

looks right. your pic is still underexposed. you'll need noise reduction.

you actually might have better luck using 1600 in that scenario consider 1250 isn't "native".

Just checking. That shot was at 1250 not 1600 and I've gotten similar results with ISO 800. But I'll try overexposing and also try to read to understand why this happens not just how to circumvent it.

Just making sure the bad noise wasn't just me. I don't consider the picture above usable.

I might need to redefine usable then.

Thanks for the help/advice

This is 12800 iso . Did a 8x10 print and it came out fine.

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Looks fine to me, a little bit of noise clean up nicely in Lightroom. Are you expecting noise-free ISO 1250 at pixel level? Even 5D has some noise when viewed at 100%.

klimraamkosie wrote in post #14471677
Just checking. That shot was at 1250 not 1600 and I've gotten similar results with ISO 800. But I'll try overexposing and also try to read to understand why this happens not just how to circumvent it.

Just making sure the bad noise wasn't just me. I don't consider the picture above usable.

I might need to redefine usable then.

Thanks for the help/advice

If you expose such that a gray card is RGB 128 in Lightroom with a preset of General-Zero, neutral camera profile and then you white balance; it will then be overexposed with the default LR or ACR presets. What I'm getting at, is that you're better off, especially shooting higher ISO's, to be sure your base RAW capture is proper, (which for me is about +2/3 if shooting in ambient only), then drop the exposure when importing. The amount noise that is eliminated is pretty amazing. I always shoot with a neutral camera style, -4 contrast, 0 all other settings. I can then chimp white on my LCD and set my exposure to 1/3 stop below where the white clips. Making a good guess at light temp for WB is important when doing this.

I sold my 7D because I couldn't justify the noise for the type of shooting I was doing. It's a fine camera, but you've got to get the exposure down, and that can mean shooting at a higher ISO to get that exposure. Do not shoot at anything but 1 stop ISOs if you want to implement the above workflow.

Looks completely find to me and I spend ALOT of time at iso 3200+

windpig wrote in post #14472697
If you expose such that a gray card is RGB 128 in Lightroom with a preset of General-Zero, neutral camera profile and then you white balance; it will then be overexposed with the default LR or ACR presets. What I'm getting at, is that you're better off, especially shooting higher ISO's, to be sure your base RAW capture is proper, (which for me is about +2/3 if shooting in ambient only), then drop the exposure when importing. The amount noise that is eliminated is pretty amazing. I always shoot with a neutral camera style, -4 contrast, 0 all other settings. I can then chimp white on my LCD and set my exposure to 1/3 stop below where the white clips. Making a good guess at light temp for WB is important when doing this.

I sold my 7D because I couldn't justify the noise for the type of shooting I was doing. It's a fine camera, but you've got to get the exposure down, and that can mean shooting at a higher ISO to get that exposure. Do not shoot at anything but 1 stop ISOs if you want to implement the above workflow.

Thank you windpig. I'm bookmarking your advice. I really appreciate it, sincerely.

To be honest this is normal for a 60D, its noise handling isnt as great as the newer cameras (obviously). Look in the 60D pictures thread, most of the photos have this noisy look, and the 60D needs heavy PP to get a decent picture out of it if you go over ISO400.

aximrocks wrote in post #14471811
Looks fine to me, a little bit of noise clean up nicely in Lightroom. Are you expecting noise-free ISO 1250 at pixel level? Even 5D has some noise when viewed at 100%.

This is how I look at it. I've not done much with my 60D at high ISO, but I went as high as 3200 with my T1i and cleaned it up very nicely in Lightroom. I can't imagine being limited to ISO 400 like thedcmule2 says the 60D is. That's just crazy. I wouldn't want to shoot all the time at 1600 or 3200, but there is no reason to avoid it if you just take some simple precautions. This is when ETTR is truly your friend, even if you have to bump the ISO higher to get there.

Like anything else, when you push the envelope, you may have to make some compromises, but unless you are truly an ACD pixel peeper you should be able to get perfectly acceptable images.

Well I certainly didnt say youre "limited to ISO 400" but lets not lie to ourselves, the raw picture files start to deteriorate fast when you shoot over 400 on a 60D. Smearing the photos with noise reduction only limits how large you can export the photo as, the bigger the photo the more the NR smearing shows as well the loss of detail. I shoot at 800-1600 ISO all the time, and it takes heavy processing to get clean images 60D without making it look like a painting.

And we don't always have the luxury to shoot with a ton of light at our disposal which I've found helps the 60D look like a 5D at times if you have adequate light. As soon as the sun starts dropping things get iffy. It's just upsetting sometimes, im sure youve noticed the loss of quality as well in your work. Is ISO 1600 terrible? Absolutely not, its perfectly useable but is it gonna impress anyone? I doubt it. Or perhaps some of us just have different standards of "useable"

Indoor shots at home with the 60D have got to be the worst when it comes to noise lol. Once again, some of us dont care, some of us cant stand it.