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I'm being stolen from; being accused of "extortion"

 
MikeFairbanks
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May 27, 2012 13:44 |  #136

Fighting sports are notorious for shady characters with little or no integrity. There are exceptions, but not many.

I'd drop the case and then do my best to let others know of his dishonesty, but I'd do it anonymously.

If he wrote that you are extorting him, then he's also potentially liable for defamation of character.


Just defer to lawyer, and if he thinks you have a case, let him deal with it. If the promoter doesn't pay up, put a lien on his property.


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mpix345
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May 27, 2012 13:48 |  #137

Hot Bob wrote in post #14479402 (external link)
It's a hard thing to just walk away from that. Sometimes you just have to realize that there will not be any satisfaction. You have to find a way to tell yourself that letting it be was the right thing to do.

Bob

It's something you must learn if you are going to exists in the business world. You can't get personally invested in something because someone is pissing you off. It has to be a business decision, which in this case seems to be "forget about it, but learn from it".


  
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MJPhotos24
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May 27, 2012 16:25 |  #138

RDKirk wrote in post #14491670 (external link)
If the second artist had violated another artist's copyright, then that second work was not "a work of art, something copyright protected." It was exactly the opposite, not copyright protected at all because by definition an infringement cannot be copyrighted. The continued existence and trafficking of an infringement is a continuing violation of the original author's copyright which does not end until the infringement is destroyed.

I couldn't find any indication that O'Keefe's videos were ordered destroyed by a court. Perhaps you have a link to that.

The O'Keefe issue is extreme as well, in that the issue was not just that the videos were gained through illegal circumstances, but also that he used them in an illegal manner after gaining them (libel). That's certainly 'way too extreme to state as though it were a generality.

As usual you just HAVE to take the conversation so off topic it does nobody any good.

You're re-writing what judges called the work of art, you're re-writing what the attorney's called it, you're re-writing fair use laws that the second artist claims to of been using. You're talking about if someone copied another persons work as is, this was using it in another piece of art...again they claim fair use, that judge didn't see it that way and ordered it destroyed, now it may be in or go to appeals court. All it shows is a judge can order a "work of art" destroyed, may not stick in this case, but has the power under certain circumstances.

As for O'Keefe..."I contacted O’Keefe last night to ask when we could expect to see this tape. He told me that he wanted the tape back, but that the judge had said in open court that he wanted it destroyed, and instructed federal agents to destroy the evidence before returning the camera to O’Keefe." Not the best quote seen on it, but you're not worth the time to dig up one's seen in the past that are better. There's already a lot of articles out there about how the judge ordered it destroyed and then go on to explain..."A defendant's property can be forfeited under certain circumstances - if he commits a felony" (from the attorney). That's the problem, that moron didn't commit a felony so the tape should not have been destroyed, but they sure answered the question as to how a judge can rule it destroyed in all these articles.

Now, where's that ignore button as seriously can't take that in every post you take something simplified down and just have to try and take it so far to the extreme that it helps nobody and is beyond what anybody needs. Go do something you've never done before, like post an image and prove you've worked a day in this field.


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FranksPhotos
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May 27, 2012 16:42 |  #139

MJPhotos24 wrote in post #14492376 (external link)
As usual you just HAVE to take the conversation so off topic it does nobody any good.

You're re-writing what judges called the work of art, you're re-writing what the attorney's called it, you're re-writing fair use laws that the second artist claims to of been using. You're talking about if someone copied another persons work as is, this was using it in another piece of art...again they claim fair use, that judge didn't see it that way and ordered it destroyed, now it may be in or go to appeals court. All it shows is a judge can order a "work of art" destroyed, may not stick in this case, but has the power under certain circumstances.

As for O'Keefe..."I contacted O’Keefe last night to ask when we could expect to see this tape. He told me that he wanted the tape back, but that the judge had said in open court that he wanted it destroyed, and instructed federal agents to destroy the evidence before returning the camera to O’Keefe." Not the best quote seen on it, but you're not worth the time to dig up one's seen in the past that are better. There's already a lot of articles out there about how the judge ordered it destroyed and then go on to explain..."A defendant's property can be forfeited under certain circumstances - if he commits a felony" (from the attorney). That's the problem, that moron didn't commit a felony so the tape should not have been destroyed, but they sure answered the question as to how a judge can rule it destroyed in all these articles.

Now, where's that ignore button as seriously can't take that in every post you take something simplified down and just have to try and take it so far to the extreme that it helps nobody and is beyond what anybody needs. Go do something you've never done before, like post an image and prove you've worked a day in this field.

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mobei
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May 27, 2012 21:14 as a reply to  @ FranksPhotos's post |  #140

Encouraging article:

http://photobusinessfo​rum.blogspot.com …aims-court-discourse.html (external link)




  
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