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Canon EOS 3D, will we finally see the unicorn?

 
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Jun 10, 2012 10:41 |  #61

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With that price, nikon having a $3000 camera that can compete and probably beat a canons body that cost twice as much. Canon is loosing touch with reality

It'd be the 5D2 vs D3x situation in reverse.

Back then, the D3x had better IQ than the 5D2, but cost three times as much, had the bulky inbuilt grip was totally incapable of ISO 3200 and 6400. Naturally, it didn't sell particularly well.

If Canon release a new, high-resolution body that costs double the D800, with similar resolution, a new sensor design that improves the DR and gets rid of the pattern noise issues and an inbuilt grip, it'd still lose dramatically to the D800. After all, if you can get two similar-performing bodies for the same price... Also, for many candidates for a high-resolution body, particularly landscape photographers for whom weight and space is at a premium, the inbuilt grip is a turnoff. After all, the original EOS-1V didn't have an inbuilt grip, nor do any medium-format bodies.




  
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Jun 10, 2012 11:02 |  #62

Hmmm...30 MP? The sensor better be good!




  
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Jun 10, 2012 12:05 |  #63

If Canon can pull off a 30 MP/40 MP sensor without noise banding, I would buy this over the 5D3.




  
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Jun 10, 2012 12:23 |  #64

even if it was $5k? Why not stick with D800?


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Jun 10, 2012 12:43 |  #65

jdizzle wrote in post #14558818 (external link)
If Canon can pull off a 30 MP/40 MP sensor without noise banding, I would buy this over the 5D3.

No banding? My God man, this is heresy. If this were the 15th century, you'd be taken out and burned at the stake for even suggesting this. ;)

My prediction is to not anger the 5D3 buyers, this body will be priced in the $7k to $8k range. Canon protects market segments aggressively, and they'll keep doing when this thing is released.




  
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Jun 10, 2012 13:31 |  #66

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No banding? My God man, this is heresy. If this were the 15th century, you'd be taken out and burned at the stake for even suggesting this. ;)

My prediction is to not anger the 5D3 buyers, this body will be priced in the $7k to $8k range. Canon protects market segments aggressively, and they'll keep doing when this thing is released.

At that price, among high-resolution buyers, it'd be competing against digital MF. IQ would be judged not against the 5D3 or 1Dx (both action-oriented cameras), but against the D800e, Pentax 645D and Hasselblad H4D-40 - any pattern noise would be unacceptable. And, if they include an inbuilt grip, it wouldn't even have a size advantage over medium format (and would automatically exclude it from consideration among many landscape shooters who travel to more remote and inaccessible regions).




  
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Jun 10, 2012 13:38 |  #67
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rick_reno wrote in post #14558932 (external link)
No banding? My God man, this is heresy. If this were the 15th century, you'd be taken out and burned at the stake for even suggesting this. ;)

My prediction is to not anger the 5D3 buyers, this body will be priced in the $7k to $8k range. Canon protects market segments aggressively, and they'll keep doing when this thing is released.

Canon Groupies will bend over and buy it even iff it continues to have banding issues at such a price.
As 5D's have marched though the Classic to MK II to MK III the IQ and sharpness have decreased and they continue to sell them.
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Jun 10, 2012 15:57 |  #68

rick_reno wrote in post #14558932 (external link)
No banding? My God man, this is heresy. If this were the 15th century, you'd be taken out and burned at the stake for even suggesting this. ;)

My prediction is to not anger the 5D3 buyers, this body will be priced in the $7k to $8k range. Canon protects market segments aggressively, and they'll keep doing when this thing is released.

:lol: I understand quite well about protecting the pro series bodies. I simply want resolution. ;)




  
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Jun 10, 2012 16:36 |  #69

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I think Canon has shoot themselves in the foot with their pricing, despite what folks say.

I'm not quite sure why everyone seems to think so. The 5D Mark III costs about the same as the 5D did when it first came out. Hell, after adjusting for inflation it's probably even slightly cheaper. Yes, I know it's not as revolutionary as the 5D was in 2005, but it occupies the same position in Canon's lineup as its ancestor did.

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I couldn't care less whether it supports video or not, so long as the camera remains optimised for stills.

I agree with this, 110%. Canon's focus on video has become more than a little irritating (though the shorty 40 seems nice) to those of us who remain committed to still images rather than moving ones.
The last thing that I personally want is (another?) video-oriented camera that happens to be able to capture stills as well.


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Jun 10, 2012 18:46 |  #70

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Video takes away IQ / Sharpness with a stronger AA filter.
Thats major reason why the 5 D C is considered 'classic'
and why the 5 D MK II or MK III will never be regarded as such.
The Nikon 800E is a still photo camera with weak AA.
MF has no video or AA.

^this is utter bull****.

The original 5D is has been tagged the classic because it came first; all that crap about IQ / Sharpness with a stronger AA filter is simply that. The 5D2 and 5D3's are far more formidable cameras, which is why you see them being used by pros far more than ancient bodies like the original 5D.

MF has no video or AA. What the hell does that mean?


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Jun 10, 2012 18:48 |  #71

andrikos wrote in post #14558884 (external link)
even if it was $5k? Why not stick with D800?

Why can't I have both? :)




  
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Jun 10, 2012 19:21 |  #72

jdizzle wrote in post #14559992 (external link)
Why can't I have both? :)

You can...and probably will.




  
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Jun 11, 2012 02:39 |  #73

I'd also like to see a native ISO less than 100 - 50, 25 or 12. It would help expand the dynamic range, reduce shot noise and improve tonality - great for studio work and landscapes, since you have flash for studio work, and shutter speed often isn't an issue when shooting landscapes. An ISO range of 12-6400 would be perfect.




  
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Jun 11, 2012 03:01 |  #74

jdizzle wrote in post #14559992 (external link)
Why can't I have both? :)

Of course you can! ;)

Honestly if I were starting out right now (instead of back in 2005 with my XTi) I'd probably choose Nikon after weighing all the pros and cons.

My decision to go with Canon back then was much easier than it would be right now.

Nowadays, I'd call the two giants pretty much even (bodies + lenses + lighting) with a slight edge to Nikon. The edge is so slight I wouldn't bother switching (I'm not a pro). But for pros I can definitely see the need for that very last bit of DR, resolution, noise handling etc. etc. etc.

In my mind there's no reason bickering about which system is better. They both rock. Enjoy your gear and take some awesome photos.


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Jun 11, 2012 14:53 |  #75
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Anyone starting out now should start with Nikon.
The trend over the past several years has been Nikon increasing in tech and reducing cost
while Canon has been decreasing in tech and increasing cost.
New versions of Nikon are savvy - and new versions of Canon are at best poor upgrades.

You can have both now but it trend continues there is no need to have <fill in>.


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