Sony DSC-RX100 Large-sensor REAL COMPACT

Actually Mark, you are just as emotional. In this case you have to recognize the pot calling the kettle black. The people who don't get a S are the true nuetrals

I think most of us would agree it's just dumb design that in a way could handicap the evolution of point and shoots. Sony has a history of making great products they completely gimp with some sort of proprietary bulls..t.

Actually I don't think how the battery is installed makes one bit of difference to the camera's and the person using it ability to capture decent photographs.... which is the main priority for a camera. The fact that Sony has figured out how to stuff a larger sensor into a pocketable camera is probably more relevant to its photographic capabilities than how you recharge the battery. The best camera is the one you have with you when a subject presents itself.

I could care less if it was by Tonka and you had to hand crank it.... the name on the camera has the least to do with quality of the photography produced. And the battery is probably the least important element in creating photography.

Just my perspective. I could be wrong.... batteries may be more important than I give them credit for. Fact is I own cameras from multiples of manufactures... each because they fit a particular need. I do have a Sony (not this one), 5 Canon's, 2 Nikons, and even a Fuji (Not including my old Minolta and Olympus gear).... I really don't care about brand.

But if I am being emotional and resembling a kettle.... my bad.

I think you have two arguements. Most of us can agree with brands don't matter. A camera is a camera.

Butof those 9 cameras you have, how many have built in batteries?

I think there is confusion here. The RX100 battery is not "built in", it just cannot be charged externally. Still annoying to me, but not nearly the same as your iphone.

from DPReview:

To access the RX100's NP-BX1 lithium-ion battery and memory card you'll need to open this tiny door on the bottom of the camera. The RX100 accepts both SD and Memory Stick media but you won't be able to change either card or battery with the camera on a tripod (the door opens over the tripod mount). The battery charges via USB, using a supplied AC adapter

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mpix345 wrote in post #14669355
I think there is confusion here. The RX100 battery is not "built in", it just cannot be charged externally. Still annoying to me, but not nearly the same as your iphone.

from DPReview:

To access the RX100's NP-BX1 lithium-ion battery and memory card you'll need to open this tiny door on the bottom of the camera. The RX100 accepts both SD and Memory Stick media but you won't be able to change either card or battery with the camera on a tripod (the door opens over the tripod mount). The battery charges via USB, using a supplied AC adapter

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Lol indeed that's a lot better. I love being corrected. I'm sure a potentially third or first party external charger can be made. Which makes this a better product.

Something neat to know for those who wonder about why it's nice to have an external charger. For weddings and stuff I use whatever device I can to create a unique and memorable product for my clients. Using a time sequence movie ap on the iphone for a wedding may sound low quality but it actually works very well. On a camera like this it maybe used at home for the occasional shoot, but can be used professionally to achieve unique photos. Having external batteries make cameras I'm spending $250+ or more for makes them more professionally viable.

My only issue with this camera is this: Where can I get one right away?

MikeFairbanks wrote in post #14678120
My only issue with this camera is this: Where can I get one right away?

There are some on sale on ebay from authorized resellers, surprisingly at regular prices.

The official eBay Sony store has them listed for sale.

update: had them for sale

Croasdail wrote in post #14669146
I could care less if it was by Tonka and you had to hand crank it.... the name on the camera has the least to do with quality of the photography produced. And the battery is probably the least important element in creating photography.

Just my perspective. I could be wrong.... batteries may be more important than I give them credit for. Fact is I own cameras from multiples of manufactures... each because they fit a particular need. I do have a Sony (not this one), 5 Canon's, 2 Nikons, and even a Fuji (Not including my old Minolta and Olympus gear).... I really don't care about brand.

Personally, I think having to hand-cranking the camera every 20 shots will be very annoying.

Unless, of course, when one is on a polar expedition, where finding a 110V/220V socket is next to impossible....

Anyway, I agree with you brand should not be the most important deciding factor when it comes to cameras. That's probably why I currently own 4 Canons, 1 Olympus, 2 Fujifilms and have owned 2 Panasonics and 1 Pentax.

However, some brand-specific eccentricity can be incredibly annoying. In no particular order:
- Sony insisting on Memory Stick (at least back in their CLIE PDA days)
- Fujifilm insisting on xD cards (at least with the F30 -- by the time the F200EXR came out they started to accept SDs)
- early Panasonic sensors making green look more like yellow
- the Fujifilm F30 charging process (see below)

mpix345 wrote in post #14669355
I think there is confusion here. The RX100 battery is not "built in", it just cannot be charged externally.

That was what Fujifilm made F30 owners do -- even though the battery is removable, the camera shipped with an AC adaptor rather than a separate battery charger.

So, to charge the battery (without spending extra $$ for a separate battery charger), one has to leave the depleted battery inside the camera, and put the camera into the wall using the (bulky) AC adaptor.

To make things worse, the camera cannot be used during the charging process (which takes 4-6 hours). Oh, and the AC adaptor does not power the camera independently (for things like long exposure or time-lapse photography -- which the F30 doesn't do anyway).

I hope Sony does not put the RX100 owners through that....

Retro... fortunately eventually Sony can be taught and their cameras take both Memory Stick and normal memory too... one slot.... multiple choices. Who would have thought?

And yes I have the Fuji F30, F31 and F50 because in the day, they kicked butt on low light performance. They now sit waiting to be used again on my shelf. And yes, eventually Fuji did ship an external charger.

Croasdail wrote in post #14725770
Retro... fortunately eventually Sony can be taught and their cameras take both Memory Stick and normal memory too... one slot.... multiple choices. Who would have thought?

And yes I have the Fuji F30, F31 and F50 because in the day, they kicked butt on low light performance. They now sit waiting to be used again on my shelf. And yes, eventually Fuji did ship an external charger.

Yes, my F200EXR came with a battery charger rather than an AC adaptor.

However, I'm sure the decision makers at Sony and Fujifilm did not wake up one day and suddenly decided to be nicer to their customers.

It was because enough people either complained (or voted with their wallet and bought their competitors instead) that drove Sony and Fujifilm to change.

So maybe we need more people like Charlie....

RX100 field tests
http://outbackphoto.sm​ugmug.com …T#!i=1974031030​&k=8sjH9zM

^- The shots have nice detail/color from the looks, though the photos themselves are boring and meh for the most part.. though thats the person behind the camera, not the camera

Just read about this today via B&H on FB. Looks excellent, i'm more interested in this, than a Canon M-ILC.

Tried the demo in B&H. Everything seems good. the ring control is not as bad at all. But I don't like the package in general. It feels too Point and Shoot...