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Backyard Gardens: TS-E 17mm or 24mm?

 
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Jun 06, 2012 16:30 |  #1

Hi, I've been asked by an ad agency to shoot a backyard garden for a campaign.

They are going to composite other 3d visuals into the scene kind of like these examples:

IMAGE: http://adsoftheworld.com/files/images/ACTIVE-LIFE-PRINT---BACKYARD.preview.jpg
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IMAGE: http://adsoftheworld.com/files/images/hth---2-of-2---zen-garden---ddb-south-africa---johannesburg.preview.jpg


I want everything sharp and straight so i was thinking either the 17mm or 24mm TS-E. I haven't seen the locations where we're going to be shooting yet, but we will need a wide angle of view, with both portrait and landscape versions of each shot.

Would the 24mm be wide enough for this sort of thing? Or should I go for the 17mm? I don't really want that super wide look, just wide enough. I was thinking i could do some stitching.

I haven't used a TS-E before so I'm planning on renting one this weekend to prepare for the shoot.

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Jun 06, 2012 16:40 |  #2

If you buy one, you'll realize that you need the other. They are the perfect compliment. I shoot architecture and interiors and I wouldn't be able to do my job without both.

You would definitely be able to get away with an ultra wide zoom (e.g. 17-40) and one tilt shift, as well. I'd go 24ts if you are able to stitch, that should be plenty wide, assuming you're on a full-frame body.


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Jun 06, 2012 16:45 as a reply to  @ mikekelley's post |  #3

As you've mentioned possible stitching, the 24mm should do it fine. You'll get the equivalent of around 14mm AOV (110+ degrees) if you don't need to tilt too much.

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Jun 06, 2012 17:15 |  #4

Go the bottom of this page to get an idea how wide an AOV you can obtain with quick shift-pan on the 24mm and 17mm TS-Es....

http://www.cambridgein​colour.com …ls/tilt-shift-lenses1.htm (external link)

Make sure you use the right settings, like 12mm of shift and the right orientation.

Also be aware the maximum 3:2 result comes from doing a shot pano with 30 degree corner shift.


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Jun 06, 2012 21:28 as a reply to  @ arentol's post |  #5

thanks guys, I've booked the 24mm versions for this weekend to try it out. A site visit is lined up for next week,

Are these lenses easy to work out how to use? Any suggestions for tutorials or videos about the stitching part or just any general use would be appreciated

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Jun 06, 2012 22:50 |  #6

The shift aspect is a piece of cake. Understanding how to control the tilt takes a bit of reading and practice.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1045907


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Jun 07, 2012 02:59 |  #7

huebert wrote in post #14542574 (external link)
Are these lenses easy to work out how to use? Any suggestions for tutorials or videos about the stitching part or just any general use would be appreciated

cheers!

I'd recommend looking at David Summerhayes paper on the lens usage and maybe make a copy of his tilt calculations for the lens you hire.
http://www.davidsummer​hayes.com …e%20tilt-shift%20lens.pdf (external link)

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Jun 07, 2012 06:39 |  #8

Canon Bob wrote in post #14543591 (external link)
I'd recommend looking at David Summerhayes paper on the lens usage and maybe make a copy of his tilt calculations for the lens you hire.
http://www.davidsummer​hayes.com …e%20tilt-shift%20lens.pdf (external link)

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Great recommendation on copying the focus plane table.


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Jun 07, 2012 07:03 |  #9

I got the 24 since using GND- and ND-filters with 17 is impossible, or at least not very convenient because of it's lens design. I am very happy with it. It's is truly a fantastic lens.


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Jun 07, 2012 10:29 |  #10

Canon Bob wrote in post #14543591 (external link)
I'd recommend looking at David Summerhayes paper on the lens usage and maybe make a copy of his tilt calculations for the lens you hire.
http://www.davidsummer​hayes.com …e%20tilt-shift%20lens.pdf (external link)

Bob

thanks Bob - I've been looking at these too and this link will help. In general, these things confuse my teeny tiny brain.




  
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Jun 07, 2012 15:58 as a reply to  @ rick_reno's post |  #11

For this application I would leave tilt alone. I would also consider using some combination of side and up-down shift in some circumstances. Not sure if you will even need shift except for stitching, but you should certainly experiment with it.


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Jun 07, 2012 16:26 |  #12

ejenner wrote in post #14546404 (external link)
For this application I would leave tilt alone.....

Priceless Sir.
A huge number of posts on this forum are concerning the obsession with lens sharpness. Here we are discussing a lens with a special feature to help achieve it and someone advises against using the feature.
(BTW....I'm not knocking your opinion, it just struck me as perverse).

FWIW, 1/2 degree of tilt will be all you need when shooting from a 'normal' standing position (with the 24mm version).

Bob


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