Rebel T4i - the end of the XXD line?

danjama wrote in post #14549097
What a load of old tosh.

Not really. The rear wheel as well as the multi-select joystick is absolutely essential for what I do. A rebel simply would not suffice, nor would a 60D.

Some nice upgrades with the t4i. I only wish they included the microadjustment feature.

Well, the QCD is a biggie in my opinion. That one feature alone is enough to warrant am XXD over the XXXD models. At 5fps I expect the XXD to jump up to the 8fps range and the 7DII to go to 12fps or something insane like that. It has to unless they want their mirrorless shooting faster f0s than the top of the line APS-C DSLR. So I expect the XXD to move up to about where the 7D is now and the 7DII to be a basically 1DX with a crop sensor in a 5D body - hopefully with dual card slots, RJ-45 and possibly a capability of ISO 25,600 native and 51,200 H with the improved noise characteristics we're seeing on the T4i.

danjama wrote in post #14549097
What a load of old tosh.

The rebels are nice cameras, I have one still. But for manual shooting of wildlife it just isnt as fast as having 2 wheels. PERIOD. when you pull up on a bird in flight and have one second to turn your aperture from f5.6 to f8 the rebel wont do.

Numenorean wrote in post #14549422
Not really. The rear wheel as well as the multi-select joystick is absolutely essential for what I do. A rebel simply would not suffice, nor would a 60D.

the 60d has the rear wheel and the joystick to move AF point to where you want with ONE TOUCH just like the other xxd or xd models. sure its in a slightly different spot but it works the same AND it can be reached easily in landscape or portrait orientation. Just admit that you dont know about the 60d and move on.

Numenorean wrote in post #14549414
Not really. How do you adjust stuff with the camera up to your eye on the touchscreen? How's that going to work out?

So how does having a top LCD help you with your camera up to the eye.

I agree, this won't be up to the level of xxD or XD camera bodies, but it isn't supposed to be. Not everyone needs the top of the line for every possible option. It's meant to be a premium entry level camera, where you learn the concepts if you like, or leave it on the green box and happily snap away.

I would assume it would have the same front wheel like every other Canon and will allow fast changes to aperture and shutter speed.

Isn't this sort of like the Porsche owners club complain that new Honda doesn't live up to their performance specs?

nightcat wrote in post #14549435
Some nice upgrades with the t4i. I only wish they included the microadjustment feature.

I'll second that.

Microadjust is never coming back on lower end bodies. Reportedly the average joe makes his focus worse as often as he makes it better.

I think the consumer wins with these new Canon move of upgrading the Cameras
The view of the nw Rebl is just a sign of things to come, most probably in the XXD or 7Dmk2.
Canon is responding to Nikon that up to now always enjoyed some more feature friendly in their Bodies, the fact that the Rebel has 9 Cross point AF system, similar to the xxD series like 60D should suggest that the 70D will come with a 7Dish style AF system, a new faster processor is also a good sign.
All in all very nice upgrade for the Rebel line in general, Touch Screen and continuos focus while filming is nice too, and I hope they move that philosophy up to the more expensive line, bravo to Canon IMO.

jhayesvw wrote in post #14549576
the 60d has the rear wheel and the joystick to move AF point to where you want with ONE TOUCH just like the other xxd or xd models. sure its in a slightly different spot but it works the same AND it can be reached easily in landscape or portrait orientation. Just admit that you dont know about the 60d and move on.

It has a rear wheel, the feel is different though. I have used one and know exactly what I'm talking about. There IS NOT a multi-select joystick. They have a d-pad of sorts and it's mushy crap that doesn't work NEARLY as well as the other design.

Bad Habit wrote in post #14549672
So how does having a top LCD help you with your camera up to the eye.

I agree, this won't be up to the level of xxD or XD camera bodies, but it isn't supposed to be. Not everyone needs the top of the line for every possible option. It's meant to be a premium entry level camera, where you learn the concepts if you like, or leave it on the green box and happily snap away.

I would assume it would have the same front wheel like every other Canon and will allow fast changes to aperture and shutter speed.

Isn't this sort of like the Porsche owners club complain that new Honda doesn't live up to their performance specs?

Problem is that it doesn't allow fast changes to aperture AND shutter - it only allows fast changes to one or the other depending on mode. I need both the top dial and rear dial. Others may not, but many do. The XXD series really died with the 60D anyway so unless they resurrect it in proper form that's a moot point.

The top LCD is great to allow quick glance at settings without having to press any buttons to look at the rear LCD and it also uses far less power.

I'm not saying the rebel series is a bad camera as it's fine for some people - however the more prosumer level cameras are not dead.

Numenorean wrote in post #14549947
It has a rear wheel, the feel is different though. I have used one and know exactly what I'm talking about. There IS NOT a multi-select joystick. They have a d-pad of sorts and it's mushy crap that doesn't work NEARLY as well as the other design.

I disagree, The joystick was never accurate on the older xxD models. 9/10 It would pick the AF point I didn't want. So I actually disabled it. The 60D one works great.

Of course we are arguing personal preference at this point. I think the Top LCD is a waste of space, too.

tkbslc wrote in post #14550060
I disagree, The joystick was never accurate on the older xxD models. 9/10 It would pick the AF point I didn't want. So I actually disabled it. The 60D one works great.

Of course we are arguing personal preference at this point. I think the Top LCD is a waste of space, too.

I use my top LCD exclusively. I also have my center SET button for WB adjustment which is a feature lost on the 60D where the prior 50D model and before you had a WB button and flash exposure button on top. Only thing I wish I had on my 60D.

70D will have same specs as current 7D but in a 60D body... I don't think it will have MA capability either. The 7D mkII will be a 5DIII camera but a crop sensor. It will be my new camera.

Microadjust feature will be for the top PRO cameras only which is where the 5Diii and 7D/7Dii sit at.

Talley wrote in post #14550125
I use my top LCD exclusively. I also have my center SET button for WB adjustment which is a feature lost on the 60D where the prior 50D model and before you had a WB button and flash exposure button on top. Only thing I wish I had on my 60D.
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I use it a lot, too, because it is there. But I have shot cameras without them and it's just as easy to change setting pre-shot on the main LCD and while shooting I change them in the VF. I'm not arguing against feature, just saying all of this is personal preference and honestly just what ever you are used to. I thought the 60D felt weird when I first got it, but now I think everything else feels weird because I am used to it.

tkbslc wrote in post #14550060
I disagree, The joystick was never accurate on the older xxD models. 9/10 It would pick the AF point I didn't want. So I actually disabled it. The 60D one works great.

Of course we are arguing personal preference at this point. I think the Top LCD is a waste of space, too.

It seems to work just fine on my cameras that have had it. 10D, 20D, 40D, 7D, 5DII - all work great.

Numenorean wrote in post #14550340
It seems to work just fine on my cameras that have had it. 10D, 20D, 40D, 7D, 5DII - all work great.

Maybe it's my fat thumbs!

Again, I was just trying to say a lot of this can't be spoken of like fact. Camera fit and feel is fairly personal and often just what you are used to.