Rebel T4i - the end of the XXD line?

tkbslc wrote in post #14550164
I use it a lot, too, because it is there. But I have shot cameras without them and it's just as easy to change setting pre-shot on the main LCD and while shooting I change them in the VF. I'm not arguing against feature, just saying all of this is personal preference and honestly just what ever you are used to. I thought the 60D felt weird when I first got it, but now I think everything else feels weird because I am used to it.

I went from a 40D to a 60D and at the time preferred the 40D but adjusted to the 60D quickly and was fine with it. Then I sold the 60D on a bit of a whim and bought another 40D. I really appreciated the change back to the 40D, which surprised me. I am a big fan of the joystick. That is the major difference.

Talley wrote in post #14550125
...70D will have same specs as current 7D but in a 60D body... I don't think it will have MA capability either. The 7D mkII will be a 5DIII camera but a crop sensor. It will be my new camera.

Microadjust feature will be for the top PRO cameras only which is where the 5Diii and 7D/7Dii sit at.

I think the 70D will have a mash up of 7D and T4i specs. I think it may have MA as well. With all the **** about that it seems reasonable that Canon may give in, especially if they intend the 70D to hold a $1200+ price point.

tkbslc wrote in post #14548398
You are comparing a 2 year old 60D with a 1 hour old Rebel. Features trickle down. I just think it means 70D will have 7D AF and at least 7fps. 7Dmk2 will probably have the 5Dmk3 AF and machine gun fps.

You're probably right. I didn't think the XXD line had much wiggle room to move up in specs with the 7D as the ceiling, but there's nothing stopping Canon from upping the 7D successor as well to give the 70D some breathing room to grow into better specs.

As they should be.

You guys can argue about features until the cows come home. A new 70D or 7D Mark II are just speculation. What isn't speculation is price. The T3i body is generally available for $619 online in the US. The T4i body is $849. That's 35% higher and only $50 less than a 60D body online. Whether this is just the initial price or will stay up there long term is impossible to say. What this means for the price of a new 70D or 7D is anyone's guess. And remember that 5D II is still in that line up. Based on this new camera's pricing and recent history I think we can expect any new 70D to retail on line for at least $250 more or around $1150 or $1200 for the body only, and possibly higher. The 60D is currently available on line for $899 in the US.

At launch, the T1i, T2i, and T3i were all $799 or $899 with 18-55mm IS
The 60D was $1199 body only (quickly dropped to $999 after D7000 was launched)
This isn't a new scary price structure. 50D was $1299 when the T1i came out at $799. I'd guess the new 70D is $1299 and the new 7D is $1799.

When the 70D comes out, will my 60D stop taking great photos just like the 5D2 did when the 5D3 came out?

Phoenixkh wrote in post #14550681
When the 70D comes out, will my 60D stop taking great photos just like the 5D2 did when the 5D3 came out?

Yes of course it will. I would give it a child as a bath toy or use it as a paperweight going forward.

tkbslc wrote in post #14550673
At launch, the T1i, T2i, and T3i were all $799 or $899 with 18-55mm IS
The 60D was $1199 body only (quickly dropped to $999 after D7000 was launched)
This isn't a new scary price structure. 50D was $1299 when the T1i came out at $799. I'd guess the new 70D is $1299 and the new 7D is $1799.

Canon's pricing structure could be higher in part due to the Tsunami. Certainly with this new Camera 60D sales will be impacted as people buy the T4i or wait for the 70D or 7D II.

mwsilver wrote in post #14550646
You guys can argue about features until the cows come home. A new 70D or 7D Mark II are just speculation. What isn't speculation is price. The T3i body is generally available for $619 online in the US. The T4i body is $849. That's 35% higher and only $50 less than a 60D body online. Whether this is just the initial price or will stay up there long term is impossible to say. What this means for the price of a new 70D or 7D is anyone's guess. And remember that 5D II is still in that line up. Based on this new camera's pricing and recent history I think we can expect any new 70D to retail on line for at least $250 more or around $1150 or $1200 for the body only, and possibly higher. The 60D is currently available on line for $899 in the US.

After chiding us for speculating about features you go and speculate about price. Ok then

There is talk about making the XXD line more professional then it had become with the 60D. Some of the speculation says that there will be no more XXD's or no more 7D's. In other words they will combine the two lines together.

There is also talk that Canon will be bringing about entry level FF DSLR's so this may also be a clue into what is going on. There is talk that the new 40mm lens is just one of many new lenses that will be released in the coming months. It is interesting that it is a FF lens with quality mounts and it cheap. It makes me wonder if this might be because there is a new FF camera coming out.

Rumor has it that none of the new lenses are EF-S so maybe Canon is is phasing out the CF cameras.

There is also a rumor that Canon is coming out with a mirrorless camera so we will have to see.

If there is a new XXD coming out, it should be out by Christmas.

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #14550774
After chiding us for speculating about features you go and speculate about price. Ok then

Not really speculating on price. We know the prices of the existing lineup and the T4i. I don't think there is any argument or speculation that the 70D will be at least a few hundred more and the 7D will be at least a few hundred more than the 70D. My point was whether this is a sign that the pricing structure has changed.

thephotographynut wrote in post #14550832
There is talk about making the XXD line more professional then it had become with the 60D. Some of the speculation says that there will be no more XXD's or no more 7D's. In other words they will combine the two lines together.

There is also talk that Canon will be bringing about entry level FF DSLR's so this may also be a clue into what is going on. There is talk that the new 40mm lens is just one of many new lenses that will be released in the coming months. It is interesting that it is a FF lens with quality mounts and it cheap. It makes me wonder if this might bei because there is a new FF camera coming out.

Rumor has it that none of the new lenses are EF-S so maybe Canon is is phasing out the CF cameras.

There is also a rumor that Canon is coming out with a mirrorless camera so we will have to see.

If there is a new XXD coming out, it should be out by Christmas.

Interesting. Considering the T4i is here by the end of the month, Christmas is a long way off for an xD/xxD replacement.

Forgetting the models that will be obsolete once the new lineup is complete (yes, the 5DII, 7D and 60D), I see a range starting at $849 (T4i) and reaching to $3500 (5DIII).

I expect it to be filled more or less equally the 70D somewhere in the mddle $1000 ($1499 sound good?...) and the 7DII in the mid $2000s.

I hope that Canon wwill make it worth our while...

jhayesvw wrote in post #14549576
The rebels are nice cameras, I have one still. But for manual shooting of wildlife it just isnt as fast as having 2 wheels. PERIOD. when you pull up on a bird in flight and have one second to turn your aperture from f5.6 to f8 the rebel wont do.

Hate to break it to you, but in manual mode, the scroll wheel right behind the shutter button controls f stop settings. The setting is visable in the viewfinder or lcd screen. You can easily be looking at the object and control what you want. (and by moving your thumb 1/4 inch and pressing the appropriate button and using the wheel, you can also control your shutter speed.)

Well, at least on my T3i anyway...

simply no way they will discontinue the xxD line simply because its ergonomics and physical features pertain to professional photographers. when shooting events and weddings where time is of the essence, and you have to use all that is available to you, such as a joystick or thumb wheel.

the Rebels feel very small and cramping for my hands and i couldnt imagine shooting an event with it for 8 hours.

unless the rebel has a larger body, joystick, and thumbwheel...i would never use it for work.