T4i sensor vs. Nikon D7000/D3200

From the specs, it appears that the T4i is using the same sensor as the 60D/7D.

If that's the case, the performance seems very underwhelming to the Sony sensors used in recent Nikons.

Unless Canon has some a major overhaul of the sensor (which seems unlikely as the megapixel count has not changed one bit), the T4i is going to have a hard time competing with the D3200/D7000 in terms of image quality.

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996gt2 wrote in post #14552161
From the specs, it appears that the T4i is using the same sensor as the 60D/7D.

If that's the case, the performance seems very underwhelming to the Sony sensors used in recent Nikons.

Unless Canon has some a major overhaul of the sensor, the T4i is going to have a hard time competing with the D3200/D7000 in terms of image quality.

right, but if you don't believe "DXO" and compare actual pics even the cheap XSi has a better image quality "IQ" than the Nikon D7000 !!!!!

This is only an issue to gearheads.

For the hundreds of soccer moms and retired grandpas out there who only shoot in *.jpg, all they will see (and rightfully so), is a cleaner image. They're printing (if printing at all) 4x6's for their scrapbook and/or posting facebook sized photos.

That is the market base and the consumer group that is driving the profit margin. All they will see is cleaner images that they can shoot at even lower-lighting with their slow-ish kit zoom lens.

watt100 wrote in post #14552173
right, but if you don't believe "DXO" and compare actual pics even the cheap XSi has a better image quality "IQ" than the Nikon D7000 !!!!!

Not from the test images I saw. Where are these great XSi images that are better than the D7000? Link or samples please.

the digic 5 processor in the t4i MAY allow for cleaner shots so it may edge up on the Nikon sensor.

besides that go on Flickr and you'll see thousands of bad photos from every camera under the sun.

the photographer makes the photo.

Having the same 18MP resolution does NOT mean the same sensor design. It is possible to have an improved 18MP sensor on the T4i.

Let's wait for tests to get info on the IQ performance before jumping to conclusions.

david8476 wrote in post #14552293
Having the same 18MP resolution does NOT mean the same sensor design. It is possible to have an improved 18MP sensor on the T4i.

Let's wait for tests to get info on the IQ performance before jumping to conclusions.

They didn't really improve the sensors in their flagship cameras ( 5D3 and 1DX ), I don't see them improving on the sensor in their lower entry level cameras.

Good thing all those people buying a T4i are buying a CAMERA and not just a SENSOR eh? This is also an entry level camera, I highly doubt many people who buy these even edit much on a computer. No editing means you won't see the increase in DR anyways.

If you buy a D3200 you don't get...

1. DoF preview button
2. flash control
3. 5FPS Shooting (only 4FPS)
4. HSS
5. AEB
6. 9 cross types
7. Articulating screen

Plus you don't have Nikon's build in af motor so older lenses will not af and i personally think 24MP is way too much for an entry level APS-C sensor camera (I think 18MP is too much as well). Due to the high pixel density, it will take good lenses and good technique to shoot nice crisp shots... unfortunately, most people buying an entry level camera lack good lenses and good technique.

Cannon's been taking a back seat for the last 3 or 4 years, but I imagine if they loose enough market share, they will come around.

Otherwise they will continue to rake in the profit on technology developed years ago.

themadman wrote in post #14552346
Good thing all those people buying a T4i are buying a CAMERA and not just a SENSOR eh? This is also an entry level camera, I highly doubt many people who buy these even edit much on a computer. No editing means you won't see the increase in DR anyways.

If you buy a D3200 you don't get...

1. DoF preview button
2. flash control
3. 5FPS Shooting (only 4FPS)
4. HSS
5. AEB
6. 9 cross types

Plus you don't have Nikon's build in af motor so older lenses will not af and i personally think 24MP is way too much for an entry level APS-C sensor camera (I think 18MP is too much as well). Due to the high pixel density, it will take good lenses and good technique to shoot nice crisp shots... unfortunately, most people buying an entry level camera lack good lenses and good technique.

Yep...but being an entry level camera, more pixels equate to better camera. Easy sell by the salesman. More is always better.

Hogloff wrote in post #14552395
Yep...but being an entry level camera, more pixels equate to better camera. Easy sell by the salesman. More is always better.

Sad but true...

david8476 wrote in post #14552293
Having the same 18MP resolution does NOT mean the same sensor design. It is possible to have an improved 18MP sensor on the T4i.

Let's wait for tests to get info on the IQ performance before jumping to conclusions.

Good point David. Over on dpreview, people are saying the D3200 does NOT have the same sensor as the SONY NEX7, it may actually be a new Nikon sensor with a higher density than the SONY.

I compared the D3200's RAW images to a few other cameras and I am super impressed, especially at the $700 entry-level price point. The best all things being equal comparisons are at www.imaging-resource.com but they don't have the 650D shots up yet.

I have pre-ordered a D3200 BTW.

Nicholas
www.copperhillimages.c​om

themadman wrote in post #14552346
Good thing all those people buying a T4i are buying a CAMERA and not just a SENSOR eh? This is also an entry level camera, I highly doubt many people who buy these even edit much on a computer. No editing means you won't see the increase in DR anyways.

If you buy a D3200 you don't get...

1. DoF preview button
2. flash control
3. 5FPS Shooting (only 4FPS)
4. HSS
5. AEB
6. 9 cross types

Word

Hogloff wrote in post #14552202
Not from the test images I saw. Where are these great XSi images that are better than the D7000? Link or samples please.

I have to agree, I have the XSI and recently acquired the D7000 body only and 35 1.8G from Amazon. I honestly feel the XSI images were superior for the following reasons:

1) The XSI produces lovely color, the D7000 produces horrid skin tones and often produced odd shifts in color hues.

2) Canons white balance system in spot on in natural light, Nikon has yellowish\greenish casts.

3) My XSI typically nails exposure, the D7000 overexposed at times by 1 full stop.

4) XSI has superb per pixel detail, D7000 uses too much NR.


I sent the D7000 back to Amazon, the body was lovely, but IMHO the XSI's IQ is superior ( honestly). The XSI is no high ISO champ mind you but it delivers stunning images that I believe are still uncontested even by newer models, just wish it had all the newer features found in recent bodies.

jwcdds wrote in post #14552180
This is only an issue to gearheads.

For the hundreds of soccer moms and retired grandpas out there who only shoot in *.jpg, all they will see (and rightfully so), is a cleaner image. They're printing (if printing at all) 4x6's for their scrapbook and/or posting facebook sized photos.

That is the market base and the consumer group that is driving the profit margin. All they will see is cleaner images that they can shoot at even lower-lighting with their slow-ish kit zoom lens.

Ha... yeah right. They will notice better quality jpegs? HAHA. No. They will notice the name, hey every other mother has a 'Rebel'.... it 'must' be better.