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Jun 11, 2012 21:17 |  #1

After months of debate and waiting to see what the t4i offered, I finally bought a t3i this last weekend. I am completely new to DSLRs...I wanted to get a nice camera for a couple upcoming trips (I leave for the San Juan Islands on Friday) and to to shoot my new black lab pup. If I can learn only one thing before I leave, I want to learn how to take/ create panoramic photos & stitch them together. From what I've read so far, I know that I need to be shooting in manual mode to ensure consistent exposure, but am completely unfamiliar with what ISO, aperture, & shutter speed settings I should be shooting at. I also know that it depends on several variables, but I was wondering if anyone can offer some basic guidelines? The landscapes / scenes that I want to capture will be done in the morning or afternoon, in decent to good lighting.

Also, can anyone recommend a good free photo stitching software? I heard hugin is a nice software from a few different places...

Any help would be much appreciated.




  
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Jun 11, 2012 23:56 |  #2

Here is a nice tutorial that may answer your questions.

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Jun 12, 2012 08:43 |  #3

"I leave for the San Juan Islands on Friday". Enjoy, I have been there on three occasions. I doubt you will find much to "stitch" but it is a great place. A tripod with pan head makes stitching easier.

Best tip is show up early for the ferry! Next best is take a whaling trip, but bring some small binoculars if you have them. Bald eagle sightings are common. But keep reading for an even better way to see bald eagles.

Once there some great hiking/vistas can be found at the 5,000 acre Moran State Park. There are several lakes (fresh water swimming) and beaches (salt water swimming) as well as miles of trails. Seek out the Moran Hotel (or something similar) on a Sunday where there is a free organ concert played on an organ from the early 1900's. The musician is a Christopher Peacock, you can probably learn more by googling that name.

The main town is Eastsound and it is a great place to just walk around. Concerts are given there as well and worth checking out. As a point of interest, about in the center of town is an nice restaurant on the water side of the street. On the backside is a large deck overlooking water. Get yourself a reservation and ask for a table on the rail of the deck. AS the kitchen staff cleans fresh fish, they throw the fish heads, tails, etc. onto the shoreline, immediately below the deck. We have frequently been able to grab some pictures of bald eagles getting dinner, often at 20-30 feet from the deck. NIce library in town if you need to catch up on reading.

On the outskirts of Eastsound is a gas station complex that has a laundromat, might be handy, but the best thing is the gas staion is opposite some oyster beds. The gas station has huge iced boxes of oysters outside, with all the accompanients. Last time we were there (2009) the oysters were 50 cents!




  
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Jun 12, 2012 09:34 |  #4

A nice easy to use (and free) stitcher is Microsoft ICE http://research.micros​oft.com …m/redmond/group​s/ivm/ice/ (external link)


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Jun 12, 2012 10:34 |  #5

ericmw12 wrote in post #14565756 (external link)
After months of debate and waiting to see what the t4i offered, I finally bought a t3i this last weekend. I am completely new to DSLRs...I wanted to get a nice camera for a couple upcoming trips (I leave for the San Juan Islands on Friday) and to to shoot my new black lab pup. If I can learn only one thing before I leave, I want to learn how to take/ create panoramic photos & stitch them together. From what I've read so far, I know that I need to be shooting in manual mode to ensure consistent exposure, but am completely unfamiliar with what ISO, aperture, & shutter speed settings I should be shooting at. I also know that it depends on several variables, but I was wondering if anyone can offer some basic guidelines? The landscapes / scenes that I want to capture will be done in the morning or afternoon, in decent to good lighting.

Also, can anyone recommend a good free photo stitching software? I heard hugin is a nice software from a few different places...

Any help would be much appreciated.

The exposure settings would be the same as for a single shot landscape, but, as you already noted, you have to go to M mode to ensure the pano shots are all exposed the same - also best to use raw file format to ensure the same WB is used for all (or select a fixed WB and NOT use AWB ). Best panos are from tripod and using a device to rotate the camera about the "nodal" point. Therefore you can use low ISO, and as narrow an aperture as necessary, but use timer release and probably mirror lockup if shutterspeeds get low. Find the shot (from within the set of planned shots) which has the brightest area you want to keep from overexposing and set the exposure based on that shot so it is almost overexposed but not quite (turn on "blinkies" to confirm) Then shoot them all at those settings in M.


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Jun 12, 2012 20:16 |  #6

ericmw12 wrote in post #14565756 (external link)
... I know that I need to be shooting in manual mode to ensure consistent exposure, but am completely unfamiliar with what ISO, aperture, & shutter speed settings I should be shooting at.

You can always use the P or Auto modes to take a shot, look at the EXIF, and then copy those settings in M mode, if you're unsure.

To me, one of the possible big problems here is that with panos, because you can cover a very large area, you can get the sun in the shot, and that's going to throw off the exposure on the other shots. This is why pano shooters were some of the first folks out there to shoot HDR. So, piece of advice 1, try to keep the sun at your back and not in your viewfinder when shooting a pano. If you can't avoid it, consider bracketing for HDR, or metering looking into the sun, and with your back to the sun, and the averaging the difference between the two. Sorry.

Piece of advice 2: Don't put only the exposure into M. You also want to choose a white balance setting that isn't "Auto" (Sunny usually works for me) or shoot in RAW, and you may also want to focus, then flip the lens's AF/MF switch to MF, to avoid having a shifting focus point. My pano mantra is "manual manual manual" so I remember all three.

Piece of advice 3: Make sure there's nothing close by in the foreground. Parallax might bite you in the butt if you're shooting a pano with nearby stuff.

Piece of advice 4: Rotate the camera into portrait orientation before shooting. This will give you more vertical coverage. You can also consider shooting multiple rows. If you do shoot in landscape, one way to make sure you're rotating the camera, and not moving it in space, is to rest the camera on the ball of your thumb, with your thumb in the tripod hole, and then rotate the camera around that. It won't be exact or at the no-parallax point, but as long as you're shooting a far away landscape, that shouldn't matter.

Piece of advice 5: Overlap by about a third of the frame so there's enough feature detail for the stitcher to grab onto and join up the images.

Piece of advice 6: Shoot more coverage than you think you need. You might need to rotate the horizon to make it straight after you stitch, or correct for a curved horizon. That means you'll end up cropping the pano. Having more area to work with gives you a bit more leeway.

Piece of advice 7: The shoot more thing goes for time as well as space. :) If a lot of people are moving through your shots, consider taking multiple images, so you can later use masks and layers to help erase ghosts and clones (external link), or simply wait until people are out of your shot.

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Also, can anyone recommend a good free photo stitching software? I heard hugin is a nice software from a few different places...

Yup. I'll second that. Hugin (external link)can be very good. But you could also start with the Canon Photostitch software on the disk that came with your camera if Hugin's a little too bewildering. It's a little more limited and can't handle as many types of stitches as Hugin can, but it's also got a very very simple interface. You could also look at Autostitch (external link), and not worry about exposure so much. :) If you have Photoshop, the Photomerge (external link)function can also do pano stitching.

AJSJones wrote in post #14568202 (external link)
... Best panos are from tripod and using a device to rotate the camera about the "nodal" point.

Actually, this really isn't an issue unless there are nearby objects as well as far-off stuff in the scene. For typical landscape panos, handheld should be fine. The stitcher will typically be able to compensate for any parallax error.


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Jun 12, 2012 20:36 |  #7

AJSJones wrote in post #14568202 (external link)
Best panos are from tripod and using a device to rotate the camera about the "nodal" point.

inkista wrote in post #14570770 (external link)
Actually, this really isn't an issue unless there are nearby objects as well as far-off stuff in the scene. For typical landscape panos, handheld should be fine. The stitcher will typically be able to compensate for any parallax error.

Glad we agree on the exposure preferences. Personally, I find panos without some sort of foreground items (and therefore some parallax issues) are rather like big wide postcards :D However, the stitching software is pretty good - no argument there - and good results can be obtained but "best panos" will benefit from the tripod.


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Jun 12, 2012 20:56 |  #8

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Learning how ISO, shutter speed, & aperture effect exposure really has helps to make sense of everything (obvious, I know).

John - Thanks for the suggestions. We are staying at Rosario on Orcas Island. We have two whale watching excursions planned - one by boat, and the other a day long kayaking trip. We also are planning to take a day and hike through Moran State Park. Hope to get some nice shots from atop the "Mountain", possibly a candidate for a nice panoramic...




  
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Jun 13, 2012 06:02 |  #9

Rosario is where the organ concerts are held; also a wonderful breakfast buffet.




  
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Jun 13, 2012 13:39 |  #10

AJSJones wrote in post #14570843 (external link)
Glad we agree on the exposure preferences. Personally, I find panos without some sort of foreground items (and therefore some parallax issues) are rather like big wide postcards :D However, the stitching software is pretty good - no argument there - and good results can be obtained but "best panos" will benefit from the tripod.

Actually, if that's the viewpoint from which were are looking, then "BEST panos" would benefit from actually being on a panohead/rail on a tripod, calibrated to rotate around the NPP of the lens. You know as well as I that a tripod alone does not guarantee no-parallax. But that's a bit much to be asking of a beginner.


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Jun 13, 2012 17:12 |  #11

It's funny but our t3i even on full manual and continuous fixed lighting (360 and still product photography) often shows exposure on the final images that is different from one image to another. This is all in a studio setting with no external light and with images shot almost immediately one after another... It's really really minor and is hard to notice, but it's there. Didn't have time to research this further - if anybody noticed something similar on Canon DSLR's please shout. I'd think such inconsistency would also be visible on the stitched panos...


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Jun 13, 2012 17:55 as a reply to  @ webrotate360's post |  #12

Sure, you'll get variance, but mostly the software can handle it.

http://hugin.sourcefor​ge.net/tech/ (external link)

It's just a matter of trying to minimize said variance, not so much about getting an exact match.


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Jun 13, 2012 18:20 |  #13

AJSJones wrote in post #14568202 (external link)
Best panos are from tripod and using a device to rotate the camera about the "nodal" point. .

inkista wrote in post #14574099 (external link)
Actually, if that's the viewpoint from which were are looking, then "BEST panos" would benefit from actually being on a panohead/rail on a tripod, calibrated to rotate around the NPP of the lens. You know as well as I that a tripod alone does not guarantee no-parallax. But that's a bit much to be asking of a beginner.

We agree again - my original post required the use of a devise to ensure rotation on the correct axis (I just didn't repeat the whole entry again) :D

More than acceptable panos can usually be had without a tripod if the shutter speed is fast enough for handheld - hence the explanation about exposures. I have a ballhead with a panning clamp (inc bubble level) and a simple rail, marked for my lenses. For lightweight, an upside down ballhead, so what used to be the base is panning, and use the bubble in the rail to set it. The rail is not a big expense, but only something to get if you get really into the pano thing!


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