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Jun 12, 2012 20:17 |  #16

1/60 could be too slow for most of the range of the lens... But with the flash, I don't think you would record motion blur, unless you are shooting in an automatic mode, where the camera meters for ambient and uses the flash only for fill.

It does take a while to get used to putting the AF square where you want it. Choose the center point AF and try to put it on a contrasty part of your subject (say the lady's eye) and half-[ress the shutter to lock exposure/AF. Then without letting the shutter go, compose the photo the weay you want it and ...shoot!


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Jun 12, 2012 20:21 as a reply to  @ post 14570752 |  #17

dont buy a new camera, buy an external flash.

the sensor in the 60d/t2i IQ is going to be very similar. the 60d has features which enable it to perform better for certain situations, but the t2i is no slouch.

external flash.

also, spend a lot of time here, and on youtube searching out tutorials on how to really use your camera. what every little button does, how to compose a photo...etc...

some of my favorite channels are

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just wade through some of the fluff BS and you'll find some really great tutorials.

external flash+50 f1.8 ii made my photography 100% better.

i have a 430ex, highly recommended.

(edit) just to add...D/L picasa for basic photo editing. its free and theres good features incl.




  
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Jun 12, 2012 21:31 |  #18

Thanks guys. I have had my eye on the 50mm cannon 1.4 or 1.8 since I got the camera as yes I'm interested in getting that front clear back blurry kinda look. Have been checking out a few tutorials and stuff on you tube- will check those other ones out. Hoping weather holds for the weekend and I can go out and grab some shots Saturday. I think part of the problem is feeling like I 'settled' for the 550D over the 60D and this maybe is making me look for what's wrong rather than what's right. Part of this is also my critical perfectionist nature. I am unhappy with the afternoon tea shots at work because the clarity is only there for the middle picture of the shot and they don't look as a crisp as I would like.

My boyfriend is also worried I might be doing damage to the cat with taking too many pics, does anyone know if it is possible to hurt her with the flash.. obviously i dont want to do that!




  
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Jun 12, 2012 21:33 |  #19

Also I can't get the aperature on the tamron any lower than 3.5




  
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Jun 12, 2012 21:46 |  #20

The 550D is my favorite 1.6x crop DSLR. It's lightweight, it's got great sensor quality, and it's pretty basic. The main thing about the 550D is you need some skill to use it as well as good glass to have excellent image quality. I paired the 550D with Canon L glass and Zeiss glass so it really takes some excellent photos even without flash most of the time. I also don't bother to use the on-camera-flash since it's kinda crappy. The 50mm f/1.8 II is a pretty cheap lens with excellent quality. Once you get one of those, you can really take some awesome photographs in low light. If you're spending money, you might as well get the best L lenses from Canon for extremely nice looking photos. It's not the sensor that's not good, it's normally a combination of skill and glass that is limiting your quality.




  
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Jun 12, 2012 21:57 as a reply to  @ whtrbt7's post |  #21

I have the 550D (T2i) and 7D. The images are nearly identical. The problem is not the camera. No camera, no matter how good, can change the light that you have. The second shot was at an extremely high ISO which may be improved a bit by going with a full frame camera. It would be sharper but not a better photo overall. The first shot would likely be indistinguishable even with the new $6500 1DX.

To make really good photos, you have to learn about light and how to control it. You also need to learn the strong and weak points of each lens you own or plan to use. Sometimes you just won't get a good shot. Sometimes conditions just aren't right for anything you may have.

Finally, you need to know what kind of time you are willing to invest in your skills. The extra money you are paying for is for features that make it easier for you to take control over from the computer. If you don't want to invest a lot of time figuring it out, you may be happier with a cheaper camera like a point & shoot. Photography is full of limitations and compromise. Knowing where those limitations are will improve your happiness. :-)


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Jun 12, 2012 22:02 |  #22

^^^^+1 above.

I am very happy with t2i. Goodluck.


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Jun 12, 2012 22:16 |  #23

loopylisa84 wrote in post #14571105 (external link)
Thanks guys. I have had my eye on the 50mm cannon 1.4 or 1.8 since I got the camera as yes I'm interested in getting that front clear back blurry kinda look. Have been checking out a few tutorials and stuff on you tube- will check those other ones out. Hoping weather holds for the weekend and I can go out and grab some shots Saturday. I think part of the problem is feeling like I 'settled' for the 550D over the 60D and this maybe is making me look for what's wrong rather than what's right. Part of this is also my critical perfectionist nature. I am unhappy with the afternoon tea shots at work because the clarity is only there for the middle picture of the shot and they don't look as a crisp as I would like.

My boyfriend is also worried I might be doing damage to the cat with taking too many pics, does anyone know if it is possible to hurt her with the flash.. obviously i dont want to do that!

The camera is definitely not an issue here. The lens is a very good walk around lens with great flexibility but its really not at its best indoors in low light unless you have a good separate flash attachment. Using the Tamron wide open (using the widest aperture at any given focal length) will limit the depth of field, sometimes desirable, sometime not. Additionally, super zooms are generally at their sharpest when stopped down to around f7.1 to f9. I can't see the EXIF data. Did you shoot in Av, Tv, or manual? I'm guessing the main issue here is your unfamiliarity with the lens and the camera. It takes a while to learn how to control the light . The 18-270 if far from perfect, but with knowledge and experience you will get some great shots with it. If you're using any of the auto modes, wean yourself off them. I'm assuming you're a newbie. You need to understand light, shutter speed, aperture use, ISO choices , metering and a host of other features (and of course, composition) in order to get photos that go beyond mere snapshots. It doesn't happen just because you get good equipment. You probably just need more time and experience. Just don't panic. :)


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Jun 12, 2012 22:37 |  #24

I'm not familiar with that Tamron lens, but I'm reasonably certain that f3.5 would be the maximum aperture...That's as low as it goes.:)


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Jun 12, 2012 22:56 |  #25

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The camera is definitely not an issue here. The lens is a very good walk around lens with great flexibility but its really not at its best indoors in low light unless you have a good separate flash attachment. Using the Tamron wide open (using the widest aperture at any given focal length) will limit the depth of field, sometimes desirable, sometime not. Additionally, super zooms are generally at their sharpest when stopped down to around f7.1 to f9. I can't see the EXIF data. Did you shoot in Av, Tv, or manual? I'm guessing the main issue here is your unfamiliarity with the lens and the camera. It takes a while to learn how to control the light . The 18-270 if far from perfect, but with knowledge and experience you will get some great shots with it. If you're using any of the auto modes, wean yourself off them. I'm assuming you're a newbie. You need to understand light, shutter speed, aperture use, ISO choices , metering and a host of other features (and of course, composition) in order to get photos that go beyond mere snapshots. It doesn't happen just because you get good equipment. You probably just need more time and experience. Just don't panic. :)

Yeah newbie- had point and shoots for years but my partners dad had a sony DSLR a55? and I saw what could be achieved and wanted to get into it. The maximum aperature on my one and only lense is 3.5, I was shooting on portrait/auto mode that day as the cake came out sorta quick and people didn't stay around long enough for me to play with settings. I went home that night and played around with the cat and the pot plant using AV/Manual Mode to get an idea of what the ISO setting, the aperature and the shutter speed does. I now know how to change these on the camera and what each of these does. For me the challenge is maybe knowing the limitations of my only lense and how to get the best out of it, as also is knowing what the current lighting situation is and thus which settings to change(rather than how to change them per se). I think I have got my head around the fact, higher shutter speed- less light, better for moving objects, lower shutter speed, good for landscapes stills/especially at light but can get issues with camera shake... It's been a flood of information.. but I DO NOT want to be one of those people who spends over a grand on a camera and just uses it in auto mode, i want to get the best out of my camera.

I bought the 18-270 tamron lense because my partner and I are going to the UK/europe at xmas and I wanted a fairly lightweight lense that could be used for touristy type photography and I wouldn't be put off from carying out as it is not too cumbersome . I hope to god I got this bit right as that was the main reason for that lense. I realised quickly that however, for my other interest, pets, potraits etc that it's probably no good and I need a faster lenses... If it was up to me I would go and buy it today but my partner is quite frugal. I am not :lol:

Thank you for your thorough replies, I will stick with the 550D as most replies have indicated i will not get an improvement in photos from the 60D and that the improvement will come with technique, lenses and light control/flashes. I had an inkling this may be the case but in light of feeling regretful about choosing a lower model I need to scope this out whilst I was still able to return the camera




  
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Jun 12, 2012 23:23 |  #26

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It's been a flood of information.. but I DO NOT want to be one of those people who spends over a grand on a camera and just uses it in auto mode, i want to get the best out of my camera.

Congrats on this excellent choice!
So here's a few tips:
1.) Lose the superzoom. You would be better off with the 18-55 kit lens and the 55-250 and it would leave you some cash to buy a nifty 50. Sigma and Tamron make some excellent middle-grade lenses such as the Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4 macro.
2.) Don't shoot with a "protective filter". All it does is increase the chance for flare and degrade the image. DSLRs have a built-in UV filter and one of the few things that can actually scratch a front lens element is broken glass.
3.) Buy used and refurbished quality lenses to save money rather than cheaper quality new lenses.
4.) Have fun!


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Jun 12, 2012 23:36 |  #27

loopylisa84 wrote in post #14571472 (external link)
Yeah newbie- had point and shoots for years but my partners dad had a sony DSLR a55? and I saw what could be achieved and wanted to get into it. The maximum aperature on my one and only lense is 3.5, I was shooting on portrait/auto mode that day as the cake came out sorta quick and people didn't stay around long enough for me to play with settings. I went home that night and played around with the cat and the pot plant using AV/Manual Mode to get an idea of what the ISO setting, the aperature and the shutter speed does. I now know how to change these on the camera and what each of these does. For me the challenge is maybe knowing the limitations of my only lense and how to get the best out of it, as also is knowing what the current lighting situation is and thus which settings to change(rather than how to change them per se). I think I have got my head around the fact, higher shutter speed- less light, better for moving objects, lower shutter speed, good for landscapes stills/especially at light but can get issues with camera shake... It's been a flood of information.. but I DO NOT want to be one of those people who spends over a grand on a camera and just uses it in auto mode, i want to get the best out of my camera.

I bought the 18-270 tamron lense because my partner and I are going to the UK/europe at xmas and I wanted a fairly lightweight lense that could be used for touristy type photography and I wouldn't be put off from carying out as it is not too cumbersome . I hope to god I got this bit right as that was the main reason for that lense. I realised quickly that however, for my other interest, pets, potraits etc that it's probably no good and I need a faster lenses... If it was up to me I would go and buy it today but my partner is quite frugal. I am not :lol:

Thank you for your thorough replies, I will stick with the 550D as most replies have indicated i will not get an improvement in photos from the 60D and that the improvement will come with technique, lenses and light control/flashes. I had an inkling this may be the case but in light of feeling regretful about choosing a lower model I need to scope this out whilst I was still able to return the camera

The nifty fifty (50mm f/1.8 II) goes for $130 or so where I live. I don't think the price varies much elsewhere. Having a "super zoom" that you have means you have sacrificed image quality for the ease of having a lens that goes all the way from 18 wide to 270. If you can afford it, I would highly reccomend you switch that lens out for the Canon EF 55-250. I don't know how much your lens was, but the canon lens gives you roughly the same range and in my experience, quite good image quality for the low price of it. Not to mention it is light and compact, something that never was an issue for me when I wanted to use it for touristy things :) Despite its aperture of f/4.5 - 5.6, during one sunny afternoon at the racetrack it was perfectly capable of stopping the horse's movement while retaining background motion blur, to display that the subject was actually moving and not just frozen in the air. The two lenses I started out with were the Canon 18-55mm and the 55-250 - and that range suited me fine for a long while.

A lens such as that would not do as well in low light conditions however, which is why having "faster" lenses (the lower f/ numbers, 2.0 and such) can let in more light and allow you to keep your shutter speed up. In bright daylight, sometimes fast lenses when used wide open can be overkill for the shutter speed depending on the situation and the lighting, and an f/4 or f/5.6 can stop the action just as well as the faster lens could. When shooting indoors, even the brightest looking rooms (to our eyes) will be a struggle for lenses that are not capable of fast apertures. Buying an external flash could help this, or just getting a faster lens.

As for using a zoom lens for pet and portrait photography that you mentioned, there is no reason why you couldn't - save for the chance that (depending on each lens) you may have to stand farther back from the subject. With super zooms, you will get the best background blur when using them at their longest end (in your case, 270mm). You don't necessarily need fast lenses to create background blur, some are better than others at the quality of background blur.

Its all stuff you will learn by practice. One thing that I found helped me when I was just learning out to use the T2i was to keep it on Manual any time I wanted to take a shot, but to train myself first I would set it to AV or auto mode and half press the shutter on the subject I wanted to take the photo of. I would watch the camera look at the situation, and I would see the settings change accordingly on the LCD display. With repetition I started to see a pattern of what shutter speeds were used where, what ISO levels were raised or lowered for certain lighting situations, etc. Then I would flip to manual and implement them myself. Trial and error works for some people, in my case it did :) At the same time I was in college attending a program that offered photography classes for two semesters, so that was very helpful too. Taking a local class or workshop could really benefit you, and its something to look into for learning what all those numbers mean :p :)

Oh and as for worrying about your cat - I'm sure if he/she didn't like the flash, he would run off. Most animals don't like sudden flashes of light in their face. In my past experience, it just makes my cat close his eyes and so the shots are ruined anyway :lol: If you are worried about damaging his/her eyes, just don't get right in his face.

Short Version (I get wordy :lol: )
> Sell/Replace 18-270 lens
> Pick up a 55-250, and an 18-55 if you can
> Pick up a 50mm 1.8
> Shoot, shoot, shoot
> Take some classes :) enjoy it, and this forum can help a lot so don't be shy to ask questions!


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Jun 12, 2012 23:40 as a reply to  @ kfreels's post |  #28

Like others said, the 550D has the same sensor as the 60D and 7D. The only thing that could disappoint you between it and the 60D are the ergonomics and the AF system. If neither of those are a big deal then don't worry about it as both will have the same IQ.

I would highly suggest going out and getting the 50mm f/1.8. It's only $99 and capable of amazingly sharp images with shallow depth of field (great for portraits). It's by far the lowest cost, best investment you can buy.


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Jun 12, 2012 23:51 |  #29

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Jun 12, 2012 23:55 |  #30

JersFocus wrote in post #14571648 (external link)
All I can add that hasnt been added, is GET THIS BOOK NOW! http://www.amazon.com …TF8&qid=1339562​865&sr=8-1 (external link)

Best $15 I ever spent, easy to read and VERY informative. If you dont get understanding exposure, then you dont care. lol Seriously though, if you wanna save yourself some time and headaches...read it.

My other favorite is The Digital Photography Book series - Scott Kelby
http://www.amazon.com …TF8&qid=1339563​008&sr=1-6 (external link)

Im a newbie too, but have been learning at an accelerated rate since December.

What it is now 15 bucks I got this when it was 30 bucks, that's a great deal. First photography book I bought...agree very informative.....f22 baby....


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