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Jun 13, 2012 00:03 |  #31

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Yeah newbie- had point and shoots for years but my partners dad had a sony DSLR a55? and I saw what could be achieved and wanted to get into it. The maximum aperature on my one and only lense is 3.5, I was shooting on portrait/auto mode that day as the cake came out sorta quick and people didn't stay around long enough for me to play with settings. I went home that night and played around with the cat and the pot plant using AV/Manual Mode to get an idea of what the ISO setting, the aperature and the shutter speed does. I now know how to change these on the camera and what each of these does. For me the challenge is maybe knowing the limitations of my only lense and how to get the best out of it, as also is knowing what the current lighting situation is and thus which settings to change(rather than how to change them per se). I think I have got my head around the fact, higher shutter speed- less light, better for moving objects, lower shutter speed, good for landscapes stills/especially at light but can get issues with camera shake... It's been a flood of information.. but I DO NOT want to be one of those people who spends over a grand on a camera and just uses it in auto mode, i want to get the best out of my camera.

I bought the 18-270 tamron lense because my partner and I are going to the UK/europe at xmas and I wanted a fairly lightweight lense that could be used for touristy type photography and I wouldn't be put off from carying out as it is not too cumbersome . I hope to god I got this bit right as that was the main reason for that lense. I realised quickly that however, for my other interest, pets, potraits etc that it's probably no good and I need a faster lenses... If it was up to me I would go and buy it today but my partner is quite frugal. I am not :lol:

Thank you for your thorough replies, I will stick with the 550D as most replies have indicated i will not get an improvement in photos from the 60D and that the improvement will come with technique, lenses and light control/flashes. I had an inkling this may be the case but in light of feeling regretful about choosing a lower model I need to scope this out whilst I was still able to return the camera


You don't need to loose the superzoom. There will be plenty of time to add higher quality primes later. You can learn a lot with this lens. The image quality of superzooms, in general is not as good as prime lenses, (those with a single focal length) or zooms with a more limited range, but their advantage is the incredible flexibility as a result of their ability to go reasonably wide and very long without having to change lenses.

One distortion called chromatic aberration is fairly well controlled on your lens, as is something called lens flair. Barrel distortion is also lower on your lens than on some other superzooms. Vignetting is also fairly well controlled. Focus is a bit slow and if you zoom in without a flash in low light the focus may hunt a bit, meaning it struggles to auto focus. Make sure you leave the VC (vibration control) switch on unless the lens is on a tripod. In that case it should be turned off. The VC does make a fairly audible whirring sound when its working.

You may notice that at some focal lengths, especially at wider apertures, the images may be "soft" (not as sharp) near the edges. The images are generally sharp in the center. When you stop down to narrower apertures, (larger numbers) sharpness improves, to a point. I wouldn't goes beyond f14-18. The lens is very compact, very light and has enormous flexibility. It balances quite well on the T2i. Its not the ultimate in resolution, but is capable of very good results when you know what you're doing.

By the way a quick primer. High shutter speeds will stop action but will let in less light. Slow shutter speeds will let in more light but you risk blurring the image as you know. That blurring is useful though when you want to smooth fast moving water or clouds. A wide aperture lets in more light but gives you a shallower depth of field. A narrower aperture gives you greater depth of field, but a lot less light. The higher the ISO setting, the more light hits the sensor, but high ISO will also increase noise. Understanding, the relationship of these settings and how you can use them to get the results you want will come with time, experience, and education.

I would also get a book specific to your camera. I really like David Busch's "Canon EOS T2i/550D" book from Amazon. Everything you need to know about how to use this camera is in there. That and a good general book on photography, and you're all set.


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Jun 13, 2012 00:43 |  #32

Also if you want to learn more about your lens follow this link :
http://www.slrgear.com …t.php/product/1​410/cat/23 (external link)
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Jun 13, 2012 04:35 |  #33

I started with a 550D and since then I've had a 7D and 5D2 pairing and after selling them I got a 60D and 5D3 pairing, but throughout all them, I've still got the 550D (the wifes using it) and it's still producing excellent photos.

I think the biggest part of the OP's problem is that she didn't get what she really wanted and has had to compromise and wants to blame (maybe subconsciously) something for that. The lens isn't the best, but it's far from the worst quality thats about. In all honesty, bite the bullet and get yourself the 60D, which has the same sensor but better build and features, or even look at the new 650D, which I've just ordered for the wife as a replacement for her 550D, that's got a great set of features and costs less than the 60D.


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Jun 13, 2012 05:10 |  #34

loopylisa84 wrote in post #14571105 (external link)
T I think part of the problem is feeling like I 'settled' for the 550D over the 60D and this maybe is making me look for what's wrong rather than what's right. Part of this is also my critical perfectionist nature. I am unhappy with the afternoon tea shots at work because the clarity is only there for the middle picture of the shot and they don't look as a crisp as I would like.

My boyfriend is also worried I might be doing damage to the cat with taking too many pics, does anyone know if it is possible to hurt her with the flash.. obviously i dont want to do that!

yes, you can get "crisper" shots with a different lens and an external flash (properly used). An all-in-one superzoom like the Tamron 18-270 is good for traveling, but not so good for the sharpest image in some circumstances.
no, you can't hurt the cat!

loopylisa84 wrote in post #14571116 (external link)
Also I can't get the aperature on the tamron any lower than 3.5

yes, that can be a problem. Check out the 50mm 1.8 prime for less than $100




  
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Jun 13, 2012 05:17 |  #35

loopylisa84 wrote in post #14571105 (external link)
My boyfriend is also worried I might be doing damage to the cat with taking too many pics, does anyone know if it is possible to hurt her with the flash.. obviously i dont want to do that!

Don't point the flash straight at her; try doing it to yourself and you'll see why. If you bounce the flash off the ceiling or a wall behind you, it should be fine (don't overdo it though, it can stress her out and thats not a good thing).

Your 550D is capable of great images. Take a browse through my zenfolio/flickr, almost all the shots on there were taken with a 450D and a few with a 20D and s95. All of which have older and/or worse sensors than your 550D.


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Jun 13, 2012 06:44 |  #36

I've got a T1i (500D) and the same Tamron 18-270 lens. As somebody else said, that lens is not at its best indoors; it's just not fast enough to prevent motion blur unless you've got very steady hands, or have the camera mounted on something. Keep the body, it's a good one, but look for a faster lens for indoor shots. The "nifty fifty" (50mm f/1.8) comes to mind as a good possibility.


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Jun 13, 2012 07:59 |  #37

T2i can be a great camera. A good portion of it comes down to understanding the light conditions. As someone that's still learning about photography and lighting every time I shoot... there are things you have to train your eye to see. Shooting indoors without additional light is one of the most taxing things you'll probably frequently put your camera through. It also will show many of the errors of your shooting approach and the limits of the camera (noise, settings, blur, etc).

I would recommend just stepping outside and trying some shots.
T2i with 70-200 f/2.8L

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Same set up... wrong settings
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Missed the focus a bit, but upped the shutter speed to be able to freeze the dog
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Also, flash can both save a picture and it can wash it out.
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There's a lot to learn in photography. I'd be curious what settings you use for your shots and how much control you give the camera. It wasn't until I started taking control from the camera and shooting with more manual settings that I started to understand how they interact with each other and how you can use them in your shots to your advantage... though I still hate shooting with indoor lighting.

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Jun 13, 2012 08:15 |  #38

modchild wrote in post #14572192 (external link)
I started with a 550D and since then I've had a 7D and 5D2 pairing and after selling them I got a 60D and 5D3 pairing, but throughout all them, I've still got the 550D (the wifes using it) and it's still producing excellent photos.

I think the biggest part of the OP's problem is that she didn't get what she really wanted and has had to compromise and wants to blame (maybe subconsciously) something for that. The lens isn't the best, but it's far from the worst quality thats about. In all honesty, bite the bullet and get yourself the 60D, which has the same sensor but better build and features, or even look at the new 650D, which I've just ordered for the wife as a replacement for her 50D, that's got a great set of features and costs less than the 60D.

Agree. Since the 60D is out of the question now.she needs to know that the image quality of the 550D will be almost identical to the 60D and that she didn't make a mistake. If she gets a Canon 50mm f1.8 for portraits and indoor use without a flash I think she'll be happy. Even if she would have gotten the 60D her results would have been identical and she would still need the nifty fifty which I think is around $120 now but can possibly be bought used. Once she learns how to use the camera she will start to get better results.


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Jun 13, 2012 08:31 |  #39

No worries, loopylisa, after some reading and some practice, the lightbulb will go off and you will have that "ah ha!" moment when everything makes sense.
We all do it, and before that moment happens there is a lot of frustration and wondering WHY THE HECK your pictures don't look like that guy's pics who uses the 60D, 5D2, D700, pinhole camera, toilet paper tubes with film stretched between them, whatever.




  
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Jun 13, 2012 08:40 |  #40

I also own a 550D for little over 1 year now and was initially somewhat dissapointed with the results, but after investigation it turns out the culprits could be:
1) Lack of experience
2) Understanding how the various systems of Exposure control and Focusing work with different lenses in different conditions
3) Realisation that comparing with many photos published on forums such as this is not necessarily a like for like comparison and that many photos that are published have been Post Processed by experienced users and as such produce what appears to be much better picture than straight out of the camera.

This means that apart from learning the camera it may also be just as important to understand and learn post processing techniques to obtain optimum quality pictures regardles of which camera body/lens you are using. With some of the excellent pictures that get posted I always wander how many got scrapped before coming up with the results that get published. In days of film it was expensive to take several photos and process different ways to come up with good results but digital systems has made it so easy to take hundreds of photos of same subject all with slight variation so that the best image can be selected. I am sure a lot of ameteurs see professional results and expect to achieve the same with little effort apart from purchasing identical equipment.


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Jun 13, 2012 08:57 |  #41

The T2i is a great camera. Master the settings.

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Jun 13, 2012 09:22 |  #42

Seems like there are lots of good advice in this thread and some, in my opinion, not so good advice.

First of all, I own the Tamron 18-270 VC, the first version, not the PZD. This is the lens that I've owned for the longest time out of all my lenses (and many more that came and went in the meantime).
I also owned every Rebel at one point in time from the xt (350D) to currently owning the T3i.

I used the T2i a lot with the Tamron 18-270 and I liked it a lot, while keeping in mind its limitations. I also own some expensive lenses but that fact does not take away from my enjoyment of the Tamron. I am originally from Hungary and I've taken my Tamron lens - with 2-3 different bodies at different occasions - to Hungary many times since 2008.

The T2i is one of the best entry level DSLR out there still to this day in my opinion. IQ is very good, virtually the same as 60D, 7D, T3i, T4i. So that shouldn't be a problem. Feature-wise it is also pretty good and should not limit you in most of the shooting situation you might face.

The lens is a good all-around lens, I love it for traveling light/vacation. Some advice. Unless you're in a low-light environment, or want a shallower depth of field for portraits, stop the lens down by 1 stop at any given zoom setting (e.g. use perhaps f/5.6 at 18-35mm shots, use f/8 at 200+mm shots, etc.) That helps achieve sharper images AS LONG AS you're not compromising shutter speed and causing motion blur. The VC in this lens is great, but it won't help freezing motion by your subject (kids, pets running around, cars, traffic, etc.)
And this takes me to the main advice other have already given you: getting a basic understanding of photography. There are a tons of good books out there, also on the internet. But perhaps the most beneficial is to find a friend, a colleague, who knows about these things and can explain them to you in an easier language. Yes, technical terms are important to know but friends have a better way to explaining to us what they mean and do.

So to sum it up, your 550D + Tamron 18-270 VC is a good all around combo if using the right skills and knowing its limitations. And no, there is a good chance that you will not be able to take top notch wedding photos, portraits (here I mean images that look like the ones from professionals who own state of the art lenses, full frame bodies, the necessary skills, etc.), or award winning bird photos etc. There are way more specialized and more expensive lenses for that. I myself don't just venture out with my T3i and Tamron lens to catch migrating warblers in the area. I use my other setup (7D and 120-300 2.8 OS with extenders) for that purpose.
But don't give up, your Canon 550D is a very good body and the Tamron lens should provide you with a lot of nice memories.

p.s. I also believe that you should not lose the superzoom. I, in fact, went from starting out with the Canon 18-55 IS + 55-250 IS combo which I liked, to the Tamron 18-270 VC. For walk around, vacation photos, to me, the Tamron fits the bill better. With the 2 lens Canon combo I occasionally missed shots due to not having the right lens on, I found myself changing lenses all the time. I also faced more dust and dirt getting into my camera when I was on the beach in Tampa and had to change lenses to accommodate the shooting situation.
So I think you're fine with the superzoom.
Now it's time to hit the books, the net and ask friends about advice. ;)

One last advice. I think your next steps equipment-wise should be an external flash, even if it is the cheaper 270EX, and the Canon 50mm 1.8. That will expand your indoor and shallow depth of field (for portraits for instance) possibilities.


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Jun 13, 2012 10:15 |  #43

birderman wrote in post #14572809 (external link)
I also own a 550D for little over 1 year now and was initially somewhat dissapointed with the results, but after investigation it turns out the culprits could be:
1) Lack of experience
2) Understanding how the various systems of Exposure control and Focusing work with different lenses in different conditions
3) Realisation that comparing with many photos published on forums such as this is not necessarily a like for like comparison and that many photos that are published have been Post Processed by experienced users and as such produce what appears to be much better picture than straight out of the camera.

This means that apart from learning the camera it may also be just as important to understand and learn post processing techniques to obtain optimum quality pictures regardles of which camera body/lens you are using. With some of the excellent pictures that get posted I always wander how many got scrapped before coming up with the results that get published. In days of film it was expensive to take several photos and process different ways to come up with good results but digital systems has made it so easy to take hundreds of photos of same subject all with slight variation so that the best image can be selected. I am sure a lot of ameteurs see professional results and expect to achieve the same with little effort apart from purchasing identical equipment.

Quite true. I recently acquired Lightroom 4 and it's amazing how much I can enhance even less than decent exposures. I'm sure she is looking at images that have been tweaked for sharpness, contrast and saturation and wondering why she can get those results straight out of the camera.


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Jun 13, 2012 11:06 |  #44

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Jun 13, 2012 11:17 |  #45

loopylisa84 wrote in post #14570712 (external link)
I used the only lens that I have which I the 18-270 tamron. For the pic you mention its, f/4.5, 1/60 and ISO-400 but I had it on portait mode I think so the settings seem to vary per pic

Do you know which version of the Tamron you have? The current version is the PZD and is smaller and lighter and has a 62 mm diameter (as marked on the front of the lens). Both versions have similar image quality.


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