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Am I getting the most out of my 7D AF?

 
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Jun 13, 2012 11:01 |  #1

I recently got a 5D2 and the focusing speed of the 7D is far faster, its night and day.

With my 7D I "normally" use the center focus point the recompose. Sometimes ill change the focus point to a side one or whatever.

My question is with 19 cross-type focus points, am I really utilizing the great AF of the 7D? Or does the great focusing abilities kinda cross all points and work the same if you have it on spot or zone af?

When shooting bird or sports, do you all use spot point focal and recompose, or likewise choose spot point in upperleft and shoot...? I just find it weird I am shooting the same way with 5D2...center spot point and recompose with BBF.


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Jun 13, 2012 11:08 |  #2

I use whatever mode will work the best in a given situation.

Most of the time, I'm using single point (occasionally single point expanded, or spot), and moving the focus point around.

However, if I'm doing action shooting where stuff is happening quickly over the frame, I will go to one of the auto points modes (which, depends on the type of motion/action) and tend to get better results than single point mode - however, I'm constantly reviewing, and if the auto modes aren't working, I'll switch back to a single point mode and make it work.

So I don't have rules as such - it's very situation specific. The best advice is to play with the various modes in various conditions and get a feel for the camera's behaviour - then you'll be able to pick the best mode for a given situation.



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Jun 13, 2012 11:14 |  #3

talbot_sunbeam wrote in post #14573403 (external link)
I use whatever mode will work the best in a given situation.

Same here. I've gotten used to switching between the modes and/or AF point pretty quickly while looking through the viewfinder. I use the mode I feel is better for the situation and a lot of times it comes out good :D


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Jun 13, 2012 11:29 |  #4

Try to take advantage of the 19 crosstype points available to you so that you can minimize the amount of focus-recomposing that you do. But most of the time, you'll likely still be shooting with a single AF point.

Depending on the situation, you may alter it to spot (for more precision focus) from time to time. If you're shooting sports, you could use single + expansion... or use zone AF and move the zone around as needed.

I rarely ever use all 19-points unless I intend to track something with a very uniformed background (clear blue skies), etc...


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Jun 13, 2012 11:49 |  #5

I've been shooting with a pair of 7Ds for a couple years now....

Most of the time I use Single Point/Center Point. Since I also use Back Button Focus, I can focus and recompose in either One Shot or AI Servo (never use AI Focus, it's slower). If not using BBF, you can only focus and recompose in One Shot. With BBF, you only have to lift pressure off the button to stop AF, before recomposing. BBF allows me to leave my cameras in AI Servo most of the time, using it for both moving and stationary subjects. I do sometime switch to One Shot with stationary subjects, when I want to focus more carefully and accurately (and to Live View when I want the highest degree of AF accuracy possible, although LV is very slow).

I also just center subjects for the shot, but frame them slightly loosely so I have the option to crop the image later in post production. The 7D has plenty of resolution to allow for that. This is handy when shooting faster moving subjects with Center Point only, when it's just not possible to focus and recompose, but I still don't want everything to end up centered.

Spot Focus is a high precision mode, Single Point only. It's a little slower, so isn't recommended for moving subjects. Thanks to the 7Ds capability with moving subjects, I've used it occasionally with moving subjects successfully, and I know some other shooters have too. I call it a "Birds In Trees" mode... since it's really useful trying to shoot through a tangle of branches, or any other similar situation. Of the special modes on 7D, I find Spot Focus about the most useful after Single Point.

Expansion Points and Zone Focus I find useful for some sports and wildlife situations. I use these a lot less often, usually find they work best when the background is really plain or really distant from the subject, so that the camera won't accidentally refocus on the wrong point. An example, Birds In Flight against the sky, either of these work pretty well. If I'm using Spot Metering, I use Expansion Points. If using Evaluative or another form of metering, or just setting the camera to M, I'll sometimes use Zone Focus. Not often, though. I consider these fairly specialized focus modes.

I virtually never use All Points/Auto AF. Maybe if shooting a landscape with a really small aperture and great depth of field. It can be used with Birds In Flight, against a clear sky or solid overcast. But usually not, I just don't need it and prefer to maintain more control over where the camera focuses.

I use a 5DII, too. It's usually with Single Point/Center Point... and BBF... often in AI Servo even though it's not a great action camera. All the same as 7D, really. I haven't found the 6 hidden "assist" points unique to the 5D/5DII to be much help with moving subjects. Only the center point on 5DII is the faster and more sensitive dual-axis/cross type. (Unllike 7D, where all 19 are dual-axis). It's still not as good tracking movement, though, as 7D.

In the past I've used 50D, 30D, 10D, EOS-3, Elan 7E(EOS-33) a lot, plus some of the other Canon models occasionally. At first I tried various things, including Eye Control on cameras that have them. In the end, I've settled on using Single Point most of the time with all of them. It's just what works best for me.... IMO, there's simply no substitute for the photographer doing his (or her) job and working to keep the point of focus right where they want it. Everything else leaves too much up to chance, that he camera will or won't focus where you want it. Eye Control sounded cool, but never worked well for me. I could get the camera to track my eye just fine, but I guess I tend to look around the viewfinder a lot, at things other than my main point of focus, and ended up missing focus way too much with EC.

One thing I miss... EOS-3 have a Custom Function that links Spot Metering to the active AF point. I found that very handy at times (though you had to dial back from using all 45 points to using only 11 or 13 of them). 1DV had this, too. Only 1D-series DSLRs have this feature now, AFAIK. I wish Canon would provide it on other cams... I might use peripheral points more often, if they did. However, Evaluative Metering does place extra emphasis on the area of the Active AF point, so you get some of the same effect with it... in a more limited way.

7D has that special macro mode, too.... though it's not mentioned in the manual or many places. Canon said something about it in a white paper I think. I mostly use manual focus when shooting macro, so didn't really know about it and haven't experimented with it much. Essentially, with any of the Canon USM macro lenses, if AI Servo is used and focus is relatively close, the camera switches to sampling subject distance 4X as often as usual, to increase accuracy of focus. I suspect this would act as a sort of image stabilization, for the axis of movement closer to or farther from the subject. I don't have the 100L IS, so can't experiment with how this combines with the Hybrid IS to improve AF with macro. Maybe some day I'll test it further.


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Jun 13, 2012 12:09 |  #6

OK thanks, good stuff.

So its not so much the crosspoint, but a better faster overall focusing system. Regardless of how its used.


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Jun 13, 2012 12:25 as a reply to  @ JersFocus's post |  #7

As Amfoto said there are different AF modes for different things.
19 point pretty much sucks for everything.

if you only use single point its still faster focusing than most cameras

My friends use AF point expansion and move the points to approximately where they want to compose the shot and have very good results.



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Jun 13, 2012 12:39 |  #8

What kind of lens/lenses are you using? I've noticed that the 7d feels just as slow as my T3's autofocusing with the cheap Canon 50mm 1.8, but thats probably just because of the lens itself. I've lost a lot of shots waiting for that robocop-sounding lens to get the shots I wanted. I ended up using manual focus with way better retention for that lens.

I'd imagine that if you're good at predicting your shot or set of shots, you should be able to get some great results with spot focusing. If the shot requires AF-Recompose, then at least you'll have to move the frame around less to recompose than if you were to use center only.




  
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Jun 16, 2012 04:48 |  #9

marzel wrote in post #14573804 (external link)
I've noticed that the 7d feels just as slow as my T3's autofocusing with the cheap Canon 50mm 1.8, but thats probably just because of the lens itself. I've lost a lot of shots waiting for that robocop-sounding lens to get the shots I wanted. I ended up using manual focus with way better retention for that lens.

Well, yes, because it's the lens motors that actually do the focusing, and in this regard the 50 1.8 is about the slowest focusing lens out there..!

A good, ring usm lens will show you just what they can do...



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